 Re: Won't cross the creek
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#275735 - 05/08/2010 11:46 PM |
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And yet --- think of how many gatherings of a few dozen off-leash GSDs or Mals (insert name of any of a couple hundred breeds here) we see, with all happy-dancing and no aggression.  true... But it does happen with Border Collies! But mostly if you get a couple dozen BCs together it's at a trial and the dogs ignore each other and focus on their handler. They're much more likely to give a polite sniff to each other and get down to the business of being ready to work.
One thing you do have with the higher drive breeds is the fact that they are more intense and any sort of posturing can escalate in the blink of an eye. I really don't think it would be smart to have a few dozen high drive dogs loose together  . Besides, even if they got along fine they probably be scheming on how to get a tug or a ball or how to make one with whatever was within reach
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275765 - 05/09/2010 11:41 AM |
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Seems like lots of "arctic" coated type dogs hate to get wet, maybe because it takes forever to get dry.
On the "breedist" idea-- I've argued with people about whether or not animals have a
"self concept". I think they do.
Over the years we have had Angus cows loose calves. Often, we pick up a dairy (black and white, red and white) baby to replace the dead one. If we have more than one of these replacements, they are always seen grazing with each other, much more often than with the angus babies. They buddy up with their own kind.
I think it's interesting.
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275769 - 05/09/2010 12:12 PM |
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I wonder if that has to do with the early imprinting that all young animals are exposed to within their own breed. Later, they are drawn to those whose appearance is most similar to the ones they were raised with.
Definitely interesting. Also gives sort of a socio-biological explanation to the beginnings of racism among the two-legged animals. Of course, our cortical development is supposed to help us overcome biological impulses. 
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[Re: Rob Abel ]
#275780 - 05/09/2010 04:23 PM |
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There certainly is not any biological impulse in racism. RACISM AND BIGOTRY ARE LEARNED BEHAVIORS!
TAUGHT to this whatever cortex.
What I have seen in different breed of dogs is that each breed seems to play at different levels. Like watch the way two GSD's play together, very rough. Now watch (to take Connie's example) two pugs play, much less rough housing.
I think those differences in intensity are communicated more in their body language upon meeting then in the body stature or it's looks.
For instance, how would you expect a traditionally treated Dobie (ie. docked ears and tail) to react toward other Dobie if it's ears and tail were intact? Think they'd recognize that they're cousins? They look very different.
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275781 - 05/09/2010 04:35 PM |
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.... watch (to take Connie's example) two pugs play, much less rough housing.
100% true.
They are also very quick to join the group. (I know I keep generalizing about Pugs, but I've been around a lot of Pugs in the last 5-6 years.  ) One example: When I first rescued a Pug, he was stand-offish around dogs (including the others in the house) for the first year; he watched them but never tried to join them. At his first Pug gathering, he dashed off to join the group and never looked back.
Of course, who knows what else plays into it. Like someone else mentioned, I don't even know if dogs have the self-awareness to see other breeds as "like me" and "not like me." But "plays like me" .... no mirror-recognition needed.
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275782 - 05/09/2010 04:38 PM |
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... I think those differences in intensity are communicated more in their body language upon meeting then in the body stature or it's looks. .... For instance, how would you expect a traditionally treated Dobie (ie. docked ears and tail) to react toward other Dobie if it's ears and tail were intact? Think they'd recognize that they're cousins? They look very different. ...
Good point. And again, how does the Dobie know what he himself looks like?
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Re: Won't cross the creek
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#275785 - 05/09/2010 05:41 PM |
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Further, I suggest two dogs of differing breed but of similar temperament will recognize and take (if play is in their nature) to each other almost immediately.
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275795 - 05/09/2010 08:23 PM |
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Agree with Randy's comment about similar temeraments finding each other.
To the "breedism" discussion I'll add that my dog has different play styles with breed-specific playmates. We run with a pack of BCs who allow him entree into their world grudgingly, and he minds his Ps and Qs with them, as they'd punish anything they felt was untoward behavior.
Play is entirely different around his 2 beagle buddies. Normally not a barker, while around the beagles Ripley is very vocal, will even bay. They don't actually "play" much, it's all about spotting prey in the yard and getting the pack in on the hunt.
Oddly (to me) he plays very roughly with a female standard poodle. Chasing and body slams so loud that they sound like football players.
Ripley is a Lab, probably a mix, but he pays no extra attention to dogs that look like him. Actually, most Labs annoy him as they try to poach his toys.
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275796 - 05/09/2010 08:30 PM |
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So, should I find another GSD for the creek crossing lessons? Would she pay attention to a suitable water loving dog (or, dis it since it does not have her sensibilities)? LOL
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Re: Won't cross the creek
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#275798 - 05/09/2010 08:40 PM |
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Does she have any dog buddies now? Ripley was a reluctant swimmer until the Border Collies showed him the light.
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