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#279458 - 06/10/2010 12:28 PM |
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You have no obedience at all with him? No sit, down, or walking on loose leash?
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Re: Agressive GSD Muzzle Question
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#279459 - 06/10/2010 12:29 PM |
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Theres the problem Vanessa, nothing you've seen. Who knows for sure if they'll be ok together, but I wouldnt leave them alone to find out. Good,solid obedience over rides most problems when your there, but I don't know if the confidence, and new respect he'll have for you will carry over to when your not there.
Steve-
I know that you're right. That said, if I am going to do all this training to attempt to control his aggression towards people, don't I have the same problem? I will not ever know for sure what he's going to do outside of my control, I guess.
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Re: Agressive GSD Muzzle Question
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#279462 - 06/10/2010 12:31 PM |
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You have no obedience at all with him? No sit, down, or walking on loose leash?
He has some obedience - sit and drop, as well as wait and a flawless recall. However, I can only walk him loose-leash with a prong collar on and I must stay on top of him constantly for these commands except for the recall.
He has been very difficult for me to train, which is the first time I can say that about a dog. I am sure my methods were incorrect (I will learn more when I get some of Ed's DVDs), but it is like training a bull - nothing I say or correct him for seems to make much of an impression. I get frustrated and give up long before I get ANYTHING through that thick skull of his.
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Re: Agressive GSD Muzzle Question
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#279463 - 06/10/2010 12:33 PM |
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And he knows that.
Smart GSDs are notorious for finding your boiling point, and then going out of their way to get you there, to avoid having to work.
The trick is KNOWING that, and ignoring it, and remaining calm regardless of what the dog is doing.
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#279464 - 06/10/2010 12:33 PM |
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Theres the problem Vanessa, nothing you've seen. Who knows for sure if they'll be ok together, but I wouldnt leave them alone to find out. Good,solid obedience over rides most problems when your there, but I don't know if the confidence, and new respect he'll have for you will carry over to when your not there.
Steve-
I know that you're right. That said, if I am going to do all this training to attempt to control his aggression towards people, don't I have the same problem? I will not ever know for sure what he's going to do outside of my control, I guess.
And thats the management part of things. Nobody pets your dog, you keep him at a distance that he's comfortable at, and you work on obedience that keeps his attention on you.
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#279465 - 06/10/2010 12:34 PM |
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Aaron, I never even thought of that 
And he's no fool that's for sure, he just acts stupid when it's time to work. HOW HOW HOW do I get around that?? It makes me crazy!
How do I get him to respond instead of acting stupid? I try to remain calm but after the hundredth time, is there something I can do to show him he HAS to work?
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And thats the management part of things. Nobody pets your dog, you keep him at a distance that he's comfortable at, and you work on obedience that keeps his attention on you.
You are right, that's what it will have to be. Then again, he doesn't go out in public now, so it's no real change.
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#279473 - 06/10/2010 12:43 PM |
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More good than you realize, if you end on a positive note.
If you only train for three minutes, and he complies 90% of the time, and you're able to end positively, you've accomplished far more than training for 30 minutes with only 20% compliance, you getting pissed off, and him ending with a feeling that he "beat" you because he didn't have to actually do anything he didn't want to do.
Even if you don't teach any new commands, you're reinforcing an important skill- HOW to train.
Just like many of the classes we took in school were designed less to teach us specific facts, but geared more towards teaching us how to learn in a general way- sometimes training sessions can simply be beneficial in that they establish a tone and a pattern of cooperation and happy work for the handler and the dog.
Start at the shortest possible time at which you're still getting 100% compliance with commands, reward excessively, and put up the dog happy, still wanting to succeed more.
3 minutes of success beats 30 of failure, any day.
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