 Re: Same sex aggression
[Re: Natalya Zahn ]
#281823 - 06/28/2010 11:58 AM |
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In my experience (with Dobes) the intact males, almost without exception, will happily kill each other. The females that get along do wonderfully together. The ones that are nasty are VERY nasty. The idea of letting them "work it out" would only result in a dead dog, so even before I really knew better I knew that was not an option. Some of the intact males are even aggressive to nuetered males, some less so.
I've only ever known one Dobe that was nuetered at under a year old, but he shows no aggression at all towards other dogs of EITHER gender. His sire (who was nuetered as an adult for prostate issues) will still happily kill another male, intact or not.
The recommendation for this breed is that you don't keep two of the same gender, and with good reason IMHO.
My experience with Greyhounds is entirely different. I've mixed n' matched multiples of both genders and everybody co-habitated quite peacefully.
I think breed can have a lot of bearing here.
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281826 - 06/28/2010 12:23 PM |
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I think breed can have a lot of bearing here.
I agree. Part of this is likely due to the original use of the breed - hunting dogs or breeds that were otherwise worked in packs simply must get along with members of the same sex in order to work as a team. Most hounds I know are pretty chill in this regard (yes, RRs are big hounds, go figure). Of course, there will always be individual differences in temperament, but, as an example, I'm guessing any foxhound of yore that couldn't stand the sight of another intact male would be removed from the gene pool pretty quickly; a Dobe with the same attitude, OTOH, might make a highly desirable stud!
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Re: Same sex aggression
[Re: Natalya Zahn ]
#281829 - 06/28/2010 12:38 PM |
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281831 - 06/28/2010 01:02 PM |
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Without going into details, neutering did nothing to curb the same sex aggression between my two males. Nor did separation and a whole lot of training and pack structure work for nearly a year. At the first opportunity my husky attacked my hound for merely being in the room.
He was a perfect gentleman with my female though, so I truly feel it was intermale aggression on his part.
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281906 - 06/28/2010 09:32 PM |
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I hate rotation so I do everything I can to avoid it.
I don't let my dogs scrap it out ever and I would never leave a dog with a prong collar on unless we were training or walking on a leash. In fact my guys don't wear collars unless we are walking on leash or working on OB on leash. I'm too paranoid that they will get stuck on something (has happened twice now).
But that is just me and isn't the right option for all  I totally get how crate rotations are good for many folks.
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281915 - 06/28/2010 10:30 PM |
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hate rotation so I do everything I can to avoid it.
I don't let my dogs scrap it out ever
My dogs are pets, they all live together, not only with other dogs, but cats, birds, many other critters, and a foster, or service dog in training. This management starts on day one of their arriving. None in the mix are allowed to duke it out. I have two females, both intact, if they were not seperated during their heat cycle, a bitch fight would surely erupt. I think this is common in a multi dog household where there are 2 or more intact females.
I have had many PPD here, I would not put them in the mix of mine, and certainly would never let them solve their own problems! Like you said, for many, rotation is necessary.
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Re: Same sex aggression
[Re: Tammy Moore ]
#281919 - 06/28/2010 11:49 PM |
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I've had multiple intact dogs of different sex together most of my life and have had very little problems. This is also with them being together 24/7 other then females in season.
My two intact, male GSDs are kenneled together now.
I've never tried ,or had the desire to keep more then one female in any of my packs.
The word "bitch" can be a negative for good reason.
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281920 - 06/29/2010 02:27 AM |
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So now that we've collectively established that same sex aggression exists and can exist despite managing the dogs is it possible for it NOT to exist or to train/condition it out of a dog? For those that have had dogs where same sex aggression existed was this something that a dog grew into similar to normal dog aggression or pack ranking, or was it just one day out of the blue Mr Scruffy decided that all male dogs besides himself MUST DIE?
Thanks for all the responses guys, I can feel the cogs in my head starting to move on this topic.
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Re: Same sex aggression
[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#281927 - 06/29/2010 07:12 AM |
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I think some dogs (or bitches) like to fight-maybe like some people, it's a character defect. They are excited (lit) by the confrontation, and since it seems to be self-rewarding, it's hard to cure.
My personal experience of dogs who loved a fight were my son's English Bulldog (intact male) and my Bull Terrier (spayed female). But IMO there's a little piece of that in lots of dogs, except in my experience dogs selected by breeding to "pack" like hounds as mentioned by others, or the "perennial puppy" breeds like goldens or setters.
Whatever the etiology it's a real pain and tough to manage.
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Re: Same sex aggression
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#281939 - 06/29/2010 09:00 AM |
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after reading this thread i am scared of what is in store for me 
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