The white GSD I referred to was bred here in the U.K. I have since heard that a lot of the white dogs this person is turning out are very aggressive. They are however, full GSD. Our dog was stunning to look at with a lovely big head. He was also very smart and cottoned on to what we were doing when we changed tactics.
My other male GSD( who we bought as a puppy) is now 4 years old but knows his place - his temperament is sound - he has challenged us in the past but soon learnt from corrections from myself and my husband.
However, I agree with Phillipe that you have to keep on top of these dogs with regular OB training. I was also guilty of letting the training slip for a while but learnt soon enough that it is something you have to do every time you take your dog out.
It is a joy to have a GSD that you can take everywhere with you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Gwen

How old is you GSD?

I think Phillipe said in his opening post that the dog is 18 months old
Gwen

:rolleyes: ok thanks

Gwen my GSD is some what dominant toward his suborbinates but its been a while since he challenged me seriously. I mean if we rough play he does try to win and will bump into you and try to shove me around. But I'll do the same to him but when its time to stop playing he does. Most people that work with him say he a "Man's dog" meaning a tough dog. The more you hit him with the stick the madder he gets, the harder he tries. He is safe around kids and anybody I say is ok can pet him.

Your white Canadian or American shepard (most people don't call them German shepards) was ill mannered and not safe, and apparently untrainable.
To the point that he had to be destroyed, he was certainly not an example of a solid tough Shepard not to mention a German Shepard. The White Shepard I owned was captured and destroyed by animal control. It was sad but he was a nut case, he was messed up in the head, I've never owned a Shepard like that. Even mix breeds are more stable, have better nerves and temperment.

Read what Ed and others have to say about the White Shepard.

Phillipe I like that dog of yours, trying that hard to get the kong, then bring it back. I think you got something there, keep working him, give him something else to burn that energy up on, protection, tracking or agility training. And 97lbs he is a big boy. Like I said I don't think your problem is the sames as Gwen's white dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Goodogu,

I wasn't really suggesting that Phillipe's dog was the same as the white one we had. I e-mailed Ed while all this was going on and he agreed that the best thing was to put the dog down.
The GSD trainers we took him to for help said that the dog had "no expression". With Blue my GSD I can read him so well
I was just trying to illustrate how bad things can go wrong with a dominant dog and that you have to establish yourself as Alpha asap.
The white dog we rescued was bred here in the U.K. but was 4 years old when we got him so I guess it was too late to remould him. God knows we tried so hard.

Gwen

Gwen

It looked like you made every effort to work with and save the White shepard, it sound like a beautiful animal. What you gave was a worse case sceniro of a family trying hard to work and save a dominate/crazy dog. I was just saying the same thing you mentioned that Phillipe's dog was not like that. Because he raised him from a puppy he knows what he has.

Gwen we didn't disagree on anything, or much, and if we did we have found mutual ground. Thanks for being so understanding and willing to agree to disagree and still be cordial. Most people on this board are dog people. You have the knack of being tactiful to humans and dogs.
Good show! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

We both agree that Phillipe has a good canidate, for any enduevor he wants the team to explorer. It will just take hard work and team work.
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Thanks for you kind remarks.
It's not in my nature to give up on animal especially when you know what the outcome is going to be should you fail. Knowing you did the right thing is still hard to swallow.

I wish Phillips much joy from his dog and hope he can overcome the problems and end up with a dog to be proud of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Gwen