Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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From what you've posted so far Kurt, you'd be better off feeding your pup a premium kibble without the raw.
I'm going to agree, and please don't take this in any spirit but the one it's intended. As someone else posted here just today, the best diet is a balanced raw diet, then gradually descending cans, kibbles, etc., and the worst is an unbalanced raw diet.
The missing organ meat, the oatmeal, the random calcium for a growing puppy ....
I just googled Excel tablets. Even if it's the one called Calcium, one tab has 80 mg. That's pretty much a placebo amount unless it's a teacup-size dog. The dog needs 900 mg per pound of food. That is, if your pup weighed about 30 pounds and was eating 24 ounces of food, he would need about 1,350 mg of calcium. 80 mg doesn't touch that.
What do you have available for good commercial diets? Or do you have something like cheap chicken backs and necks?
I'd correct the calcium issue asap. The dog is not getting enough to maintain bones or teeth. Maybe you would want to switch to a commercial food while you look around for a source of cheap RMBs (which are the basis of the raw diet).
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I was going to mention the thread Connie did. You really are not doing your puppy any good, feeding the way you are. He would be much better off if you skipped the raw altogether Kurt.
anyways, thats like the whole bottle connie. actually connie, the bottle says 1 tablet for every 20 pounds. what im lookin for is to improve on my formula, i will not give my dog kibble. If i add this organ meat and C powder would it be more complete? offer any additions to my current formula if u like.
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anyways, thats like the whole bottle connie. actually connie, the bottle says 1 tablet for every 20 pounds. what im lookin for is to improve on my formula, i will not give my dog kibble. If i add this organ meat and C powder would it be more complete? offer any additions to my current formula if u like.
That Excel stuff is meant to be "added insurance" for an already-balanced diet. I read all of the ingredients on each one and consider them all overpriced and unnecessary for a dog fed a balanced diet. (2 tablets is still a tiny percentage of the actual calcium needed.)
You really need to correct the calcium shortage asap. I mean it very seriously that the dog is not getting even close to the calcium he needs to form bones and teeth.
Kibble (not my favorite thing) is at least balanced in minerals.
That's why I asked about cheap chicken backs and necks -- that would supply the digestible bones the dog needs. If not, then you need crushed eggshells or purchased calcium carbonate or citrate in capsules at a human's vitamin shop (and they are cheap!) so you can open and sprinkle 900 mg per every pound of boneless food.
1/2 tsp of ground eggshell, by the way, is about 900 mg of calcium.
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That's not enough at all because the shell on the egg has to balance the egg inside. There's phosphorus in eggs just as there is in boneless meat.
Save your own shells, grind them, sprinkle 1/2 tsp on every pound of boneless meat.
A dog this age getting insufficient calcium is going to develop osteoporosis and soft teeth (and that's not all), so I'd get on this asap. I'm trying to sound serious without being confrontational, and I hope I'm succeeding. Insufficient calcium is probably the most damaging nutritional mistake you can make with a growing dog, analogous to withholding milk from human infants.
ok guys i've finally decided to go with the puppy diet specified on the website, this should be sufficient. I've realized that there are so many opinions out there on raw diet. However it all comes down to what is balanced and at the same time available and affordable. I will see what results I get. Thanks for the advice guys.
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