Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Jeremy Moore ]
#289467 - 08/02/2010 08:13 AM |
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Just as a guess, it may be time to put the ball out of sight. She may be getting to hectic with it out. Maybe having someone she knows play with her like a helper with you holding the line will help give her an idea of whats going on.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: leih merigian ]
#322342 - 03/17/2011 12:27 AM |
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@Jeremy........ I saw the EXACT same thing on a female shepherd here in Germany at one of the clubs. I got laughed off another forum for being naive and uneducated about this being necessary for dogs because I asked if this was the usual form of treatment, and what to think. I didn't know what I was looking for, but I knew that what I was seeing was NOT what was going to be done on my dog by me or anyone else EVER. WHATEVER........ I finally went back and am working with my breeder who actually KNOWS the people that I saw this happen with. He also knows the girl at a different club that told me to force sit my puppy at 4 months old by straddling him a hanging him. lol To each their own, but I just wanted you to know that you should feel good about realizing what a bunch of crap that is. Swinging in circles, hanging, kicking, punching..... it's not what the sport should be.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Danielle Keith ]
#322344 - 03/17/2011 12:39 AM |
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For the record- because it bothers me to have newcomers to the sport, or to the board walk away with a misconception...
Lifting a dog's front legs up by the collar until he drops the item, is not abuse.
Some people do it because their dog won't out reliably in drive yet.
My dog outs reliably. I do it because I don't always want to use the out command, and it builds drive for the item.
I've seen people use methods on their dogs that I wouldn't use on mine. Rather than scrutinize the method- I look at the dog.
Is the dog happy? Does the dog want to be doing the work? Is the dog relaxed in the obedience work?
Does the dog recover quickly from the correction, and return to happy working?
Unless I know the dog well, and know the handler well, I'm in no position to say what would work best for that dog and handler. I can only say the dog is working freely, eagerly and with confidence.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#322347 - 03/17/2011 01:02 AM |
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Jeremy i hope you explained to the trainer in full detail what you didn't like. i have been in a similar situation - see herding discussion- the only differnce is i physically restrained the trainer n kind of shut him down verbally before he could cdo what he was planning. next guy happily volunteered his dog for it though - different folks different...
i copped a lot of s#@*t here and elsewhere for it. these people need to know that some of us (a lot actually) don't beleive that the ends justify the means necessarily n we won't take it.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#322348 - 03/17/2011 01:10 AM |
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some of us (a lot actually) don't beleive that the ends justify the means necessarily n we won't take it.
Oh, but don't they?
no beneficaries, no life insurance, giving guy down the road $1000 to pay him to shoot my dog should i go first.
what to do with the rest. seems cruel to destroy a litter just so i can get 1 replacement pup.
Got those pictures for us?
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#322349 - 03/17/2011 01:23 AM |
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thanks Aaron, not sure i see your point relavant to the thread, isn't that shifting the discussion to something else, but anyways, the last point/quote was only ever a scenario that i was fishing for alternatives - don't worry won't happen - in fact have a list already of potential owners if i ever decide to get a litter, which is becoming more likely.
other point again irrelevent, n is my business only and the thread owner/mods have already indicated it is not a point for discussion here (on this forum). i will say though i still think it is a responsible humane choice n haven't reversed it.
please don't pursue that point in public - PM me if you would like to debate it or tell me why you are so offended by it.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#322350 - 03/17/2011 01:26 AM |
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The fact that I would have to illuminate why I'd be offended at the idea of paying someone to murder your dog is chilling, and a true testament to your sociopathy.
You don't know anything about Schutzhund. This thread was hijacked when you decided to voice your opinion about something you know less than nothing about.
There is absolutely nothing abusive about lifting a dog off the bite, and in fact a very good deal can be gained by the practice if you know what it does, and anyone with any level of experience in the sport would know that.
Don't you have some more outlandish, attention-grabbing stories to dream up?
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#322351 - 03/17/2011 01:31 AM |
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This thread was hijacked when you decided to voice your opinion about something you know less than nothing about.
actually i was responding to the issue of an inexperinced trainer not feeling comfortable with a training method/trainer is all??
Don't you have some more outlandish, attention-grabbing stories to dream up?
i guess not!
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#322352 - 03/17/2011 01:32 AM |
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"less than nothing" - thats an interesting concept when you really think about it.
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Re: 1st schH session. Won't be back
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#322353 - 03/17/2011 01:33 AM |
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We're still waiting to hear just *what* the herding instructor did, but of course, you aren't going to tell us, because you don't even know enough about training to make up a convincing lie about the fictional trainer who did horrible bad things to your dog during fictional training right before you fictionally restrained him.
The problem with you agreeing with a newbie to the sport and sharing his concerns is that it's the blind leading the blind. All too often new people come into the sport with very rigid preconceived ideas of "what Schutzhund looks like", and then assume anything outside their picture is wrong or bad.
You're in no position to determine that anything was done wrong to the dog.
If you don't feel comfortable with a trainer's methods, fine. But that doesn't give you license to call it abuse if you don't know anything about the training.
And even less so if you don't have the balls to say what happened, Petey.
This was a thread about reality. Your warped fictional universe isn't needed.
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