VC don't we really want the dog just to bark & hold the guy there until we arrive, unless he try to bolt.

The dog should have the guy pinned in a corner, barking and growling against the wall or behind a closet door until we get there, Right?

I mean what if its Juves (11-13 yr olds) they break in and steal stuff alot.

The dog shouldn't just bite whoever he finds on sight, (unless they try to escape/move) should he?

Right now we are giving a bite on every find, but eventually I think we are going for control, bark and hold.

I'm asking because I don't know what the finish product going to look like, I think it would depend on the dogs make up.

Some of the dogs have to coast into biting after the find so all may not have the balls to barrel into a fight on sight.

Heh VC, I was making a joke there and not eluding to anything else. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Sorry, you misunderstood and I will direct my questions elsewhere.

Find and bite, or find and bark. . .doesn't make any difference. I still wouldn't want to train for it with a toy reward.


Wendy, I was laughing. Didn't you see the smiley?

yeah I did VC and winked back at you all . . .

Don…. We use bites 99% of the time in maintenance training. When we deploy on a building search and find no one we will send an officer back into the building with a Kong on a string and run the search again so he can get a “win”. I don’t like “in uniform” bites so we use the Kong. With a good B.S. dog I don’t think the reward type be it the bite or a toy will matter from a motivational aspect as long as the dog does not know what he is going to get.

IMO the best B.S. building is a long hallway with 10 doors on each side. We ALWAYS start with the first find being behind one of the first doors. I then stagger the finds deeper into the building going door to door. This really starts to get the dog into a good pattern search and will help prevent the dog from doing deep into the building upon release. I like to use doors to get the dog to smell under the door and to force him to use his nose and not his eyes to locate the decoy. With big building searches with open space like warehouses I like high finds again to force the dog to use his nose.

When we need to increase motivation we’ll stimulate the dog by letting him see the decoy running back and forth between the rooms then we will run the dog behind a corner so he can’t see which room the decoy hides in. Generally this will provide you with all the motivation you would ever need.

Teaching the building search in the home will not be much different. I’d start with the first find inside the coat closet by the front door and progress deeper into the first floor then work on adding floors and basements. You will be teaching the dog to check all the places to hide…. If he runs into someone out in the open then that’s a bonus!

Matthew, While I agree with you in that the dog should sniff/search the closest doors first for obvious reasons, there is alot to be said about a dog that does a quick cursury search as well. A threat 8 doors down is still a credible threat if a firearm is involved and the officers arent aware of it. It would be nice to know ahead of time where all the players are. Just a thought. As far as BS for PPD, extreme care should be used...wouldnt want the unannounced mother in law to sue her favorite daughters' dog nut of a husband. BTW..Colt 1911 Combat Elite...They just require a litlle more oil to run..not unlike some dogs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The only issue I have with a cursory search would be the problem that it creates if your dog finds someone deep and now you have a whole lot of area to clear before you can get to the dog.

If you take a "L" shaped hallway and the dog goes deep in and locates a threat on the other side of the corner you have to clear everything between you and the dog by hand before you can get to the dog. I like a methodical door to door search.... that's just me.

One thing I forgot... I like to make about 1 in 10 finds an attack on the dog as soon as he comes in to impress upon him that this is not a game... you gotta bring the fight when you come in the building.

Building searches are alot of fun. I have no idea how practical they would be for the home. They are alot of fun to train and it's impressive to watch a good B.S. dog work.

Ptlm Grub excellent training information I'll past it on to our group, especially on how to build motivation and stoping him from running past the 1st doors/going too deep inside before checking the nearest possible hiding places.

VC I see what you mean now, we aren't talking item/drug search, no toy or reward other then bite. Great insight.

Ptlm you didn't say what arensal you packed in the search. You sound like a Glock man.

This is a fun method of training.

I carry a Glock-22 with a tactical light. In the cars we have a Mossberg 590 and a Car-15.