Re: Dog torturer
[Re: Linda West ]
#293802 - 08/27/2010 06:16 PM |
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then there is no point discussing it because you don't know what I am talking about.
I call bs. A real expert can often map out concepts so they can be understood by many. Just like dog training experts can tell us stuff we can understand.
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293810 - 08/27/2010 07:20 PM |
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Fine, here you go. If children experience certain amount of abuse during certain developmental stages they do not develop conscience. So what do you do with a kid who was so abused that they simply cannot tell right from wrong? Child abuse physically changes the brain so it becomes an issue of the child physically not being capable of empathy. Add to it no permanent home and moves from one foster care to another. 80% of kids who don't get adopted end up in jail. Then they have to be in jail because of above issues because they are incapable to do right and feel empathy with both animals and humans. Please do do some research on this. The book is one of the worst books I have ever read as far as contents because it's all true. I did not mean to come across as rude or whatever and sorry if I did. It is a broad and for many an emotional subject that is difficult to summarize. I am not looking to excuse the atrocities people do. I am just trying to say that some people are simply so broken that they physically do not have the capacity to function in society. What do you do with that? How do you prevent that? That's what I am trying to say.
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293811 - 08/27/2010 07:37 PM |
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How do you prevent that? You don't poop out unwanted kids into an environment of poverty and violence. Sadly, the only way to regulate that would be Nazi-like. No one in their right mind would support licensing reproduction in the United States. China has tried this for some time and they now have a nation of boys, which isn't ideal either. But I wholeheartedly support the OP on happiness of denying his parole. Would you disagree?
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293816 - 08/27/2010 08:40 PM |
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I'm in the field as well, and I'd deny parole to this individual.
As far as prevention, there is none. You are correct, Chip, it would take a police state, with authorities in all of our files and personal business.
Fortunately, there are some individuals with horrific backgrounds who have the resilience to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and survive and even prosper with the right sort of motivation, treatment, and support. Also fortunately, there are folks like Lenka around to help them.
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293817 - 08/27/2010 08:48 PM |
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I think it should be at least as difficult to reproduce as it is to get a driver's license,
Just watched a cable science show that suggested psychopaths / sociopaths brains are wired and structured differently
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293820 - 08/27/2010 09:00 PM |
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I think it should be at least as difficult to reproduce as it is to get a driver's license
I wish.
Just watched a cable science show that suggested psychopaths / sociopaths brains are wired and structured differently
For the diagnosed (mature) ones, yes, the developing ones harder to discriminate. Maybe someday?
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293821 - 08/27/2010 09:01 PM |
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http://www.abcofohio.net/articles.htm
Here is a link to Dr. Keck's website.
I don't think that this guy should be released until he is appropriately treated and not a threat to society.
Unfortunately, it takes many years to undo the damage if it even can be repaired. So the question really is, should this guy be getting out at all? Are they capable of providing him effective help?
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293824 - 08/27/2010 09:47 PM |
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Being in the field of early childhood education. I have been to many conferences on child abuse. One indicator of child abuse within a family is often a child’s violence toward animals, a form of displaced hostility toward parent/ caregiver, heard it enough, doesn't gain my sympathy.
" The first reason to deny parole is to prevent him from hurting another animal or a person," Brooks said. She said he was accused of torturing the dog, which then belonged to his mother, because he was angry at her for not letting him use the car."
In this case, I believe this dog was tortured in many other ways long before this incident, the dog was five at the time. I am sure this isn’t the first animal he has abused, just the first that got reported. I am sure they’ll build the “poor boy was abused,”
Too far gone… I hope he stays behind bars for a very long time!.
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Re: Dog torturer
[Re: Linda West ]
#293830 - 08/27/2010 10:49 PM |
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Lenka:I know we all get so angry and want to lash out. that is what anger can do. I agree and hate any kind of abuse to anyone or anything. I am blessed Lenka that you are making a difference, and you are making a difference. I want to read that book, there is always someone who needs help. I want to see people get help, and I do believe sometimes the kindest thing we can do is to put them away where they can not continue in the cycle they have used to relieve the pain they themselves are feeling.
Poor animals, they trust us and pay for it. If we could help even one person not strike out on an animal or human, we have accomplished something.
thanks for the book referral. Sharon
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Re: Dog torturer
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#293865 - 08/28/2010 09:33 AM |
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Show me one just one success story about a sociopath or psychopath successfully treated to the point of some facsimile of normalcy and I'll start listening to this self serving babble about how treatment is the answer.
They are born not made, and no amount of intervention is going to change that.
You want to study them, do research on them, understand them, hope to be able to 'cure' them, fine.
Just don't try to snow us into believing they are cured and no longer any threat to the society at large.
They should be kept where you can do all the help you want, not loosened on a society that already has it's share of problems to deal with.
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