 Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#295677 - 09/10/2010 04:34 PM |
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No one seems to mention that this "dog" has been trained with a shock collar whenever it saw a human..
I'm confused. Are you saying that the E-Collar was abused in this particular situation?
Or are you saying that the E-Collar is itself abusive?
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#295678 - 09/10/2010 04:46 PM |
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I think at trainer should be able to teach owners not only positive reinforcement, but the proper use of a prong or E-collar. E-collars are sadly misused as an "easy" way out of training. I choose not to use them, there are alternative and better ways. If trainers choose to use them, I would hope it is with a purpose such as a good recall for a bird dog. I am saying it is abused, not abusive.
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 Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#295694 - 09/10/2010 06:03 PM |
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Hello Melissa,
I could not help but comment on this discussion seeing it involves me. As I looked at your profile, I see nothing that states you are a dog trainer or behaviorist. It is extremely unprofessional of you to make a judgement call on a case study on aggression you know nothing about. Since you didn't ask ANY questions regarding this case let me bring you up to speed.. This very nice couple choose to purchase a Cane Corso puppy without knowing much about the breed. The Cane Corso is bred for protection and if the owner does not show 100% LEADERSHIP and does not properly socialize these dogs they WILL become aggressive and wary of strangers. What I saw was an extremely territorial fear based aggression case. With muzzle on, this dog clearly wants to kill someone. Owners admitting the dog is not properly socialized and owners admitting that "She" babyed this dog since they've had it, has created a monster. There is not one dog I work with that is unaltered that I do not recommend spay or neutering unless they are breeding. This is due to the over population of domestic dogs and cats on the planet and the fact that it may help curb the aggression. This aggression is 100% learned and owners were told that without changing they way they interact with him, nothing will change. There are many trainers who are not certified that extremely great trainers and many who are certified that are not. A track record speaks for itself. If at any time you'd like a bullet lists of more than 100 clients and testimonials, please email or call me directly. I'd be happy to talk to you. As with all people working with dogs, thank you for contributing to helping owners help their dogs. I in no way ever "knock" another trainers's techniques. I do see, that you spend plenty of time responding to posts, I'd encourage you to further your own education as well. Michael, if you'd like to continue, please give me a call. I'd be happy to continue with working with you. You are not the problem, your spouse is. Clear and to the point.
Whoa whoa, Jeannie - you're calling Melissa unprofessional when you have to list the books that you've read on your resume for experience?!? That's a immediate sign of a low level pet trainer, you're a "wannabe" compared to most of the trainers here on this forum.
Did you miss my statement on the first page of this thread?
Here, let me print it out again, and yes, I'm talking about *you*:
"For cripes sake, this "trainer" has so little experience that they've list the books that they've read on their resume page - how sad is that?!?
I hope that you didn't actually spend money on this "wannabe" dog "trainer", you just pissed your cash away for nothing if you did.
I have said this many times in the past - a good trainer lists his titles, in various venues, for his experience.
When a trainer *doesn't* have any titles, they're forced to list their membership in various bogus organizations like the APDT, which are basically BS sites that impress pet owners that don't know any better.
I can't think of one serious trainer that would list something like the "Animal Behavior College" or the APDT, they'd be laughed out of business by anyone that had a clue."
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#295695 - 09/10/2010 06:17 PM |
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Again, it amazes me the lack of professionalism on forum boards.
Yes, me too - for instance when we have a trainer that is so inexperienced that they have to list the books that they read as experience, but they'll come here with an attitude.
What gives you the right to judge anyone
The right? I would say experience gives us the right. I have 26 AKC UD titles, several TD and TDX tracking titles, 20+ SchH titles, and a few more in other dog sports. I was a national lvl vendor of serious PPDs.
And there are *many* trainers here with far more experience than you , so get off your high horse, you're a wannabe in our world.
By the way, my resume was so crowded with titles that I earned when I had a dog training business that oddly, I didn't have to list bogus stuff like reading books..... How about you?
No one seems to mention that this "dog" has been trained with a shock collar.....
Sorry, right there you pronounced yourself a complete and utter fraud - no professional dog trainer is going to call an e-collar a "shock collar", *ever*.
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#295698 - 09/10/2010 06:37 PM |
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There is not one dog I work with that is unaltered that I do not recommend spay or neutering unless they are breeding. This is due to the over population of domestic dogs and cats on the planet and the fact that it may help curb the aggression. This aggression is 100% learned and owners were told that without changing they way they interact with him, nothing will change.
If the agression is learned why do you think you can neuter it out of him? If the training/handling of this dog doesn't change then neutering is not going to make a really big difference.
As I looked at your profile, I see nothing that states you are a dog trainer or behaviorist.
Doesn't mean she isn't one  and in reality anyone can type whatever they want in their profile. I could be a research chemist if I'd like.
I guess what is a bit puzzling to me is the fact that you come and start knocking people here (who you know nothing about and are making some big asumptions) but say they should absolutely respect your opinion without questioning it because you are certified (which is a pretty simple certification to get).
IMO, the proof is always in the pudding when it comes to dog training. If you want me to take your advice I need to first be impressed with your training skills and the performance of your personal dogs.
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
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#295708 - 09/10/2010 07:23 PM |
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IMHO - that of a trainer who does a lot of work with aggressive dogs. In the case of fear aggression.... one of the absolute worst things that you can do is neuter a male without seriously considering the individual situation - not just an oversimplified ideal.
The added testosterone, along with correct training, handling, equipment can make the difference between a controlled dog and an accident waiting to happen.
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#295710 - 09/10/2010 07:31 PM |
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Jeannie, welcome. If you stick around here you will see that there are many experienced trainers here (not me, I'm just a pet owner!)who have a wealth of knowledge in dog training.
One thing I noticed from your site; you say that one of your beautiful husky's favorite toys is a laser light. Please do some research on this; you will find some very informative threads here about the detrimental effects that playing with a laser light can have on your dog.
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#295711 - 09/10/2010 07:37 PM |
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Lynn, thank you for posting these past links. There is a wealth of information here which Jeannie could benefit from, if she does indeed stick around.
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