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[Re: Joyce Salazar ]
#306033 - 12/07/2010 08:47 PM |
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The wiki on Zylitol mentions toxicity and dogs but I could not make heads or tails out of the dosage per Kg that is of concern.
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Re: Removing brown stains from teeth.
[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#306034 - 12/07/2010 08:47 PM |
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Oh i thought it was something you put in their food. never mind.
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Re: Removing brown stains from teeth.
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#306037 - 12/07/2010 08:51 PM |
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Interesting Joyce. I hadn't thought about THAT! Virbac- whats up...? I'd assume in the concentration if you follow the directions would be safe, but who knows. I'll have to call the vet tomorrow, and see what HER explanation for that it.
And yes, where is Connie? I'd like to know her thoughts!
edit- whoops. Hadn't refreshed my browser. A bunch of posts since i wrote this.
Edited by Kelly Byrd (12/07/2010 08:52 PM)
Edit reason: didn't refresh- old, whoops.
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Re: Removing brown stains from teeth.
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#306038 - 12/07/2010 08:54 PM |
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The wiki on Zylitol mentions toxicity and dogs but I could not make heads or tails out of the dosage per Kg that is of concern.
I personally would not use a product with Xylitol for a dog.
However: "What about Xylitol Containing Mouthwashes for Pets?
The oral health benefits of xylitol do seem to hold true for dogs if appropriately low doses of xylitol are used. A product called Aquadent has been marketed for canine oral care, specifically for dogs that do not tolerate other methods of dental home care. This product is mixed in drinking water to provide antibacterial benefits. It comes in a 500cc (half liter) bottle that contains a total of 2.5 grams of xylitol as well as in small packets. If one follows the dosing instructions on the bottle or packet, there should be no problems.
Trouble could occur if there are animals of different sizes drinking from the same water bowl (one should dose for the smallest animal to use the bowl to be sure overdose is not possible). A dog finding the bottle and chewing it up, drinking a substantial quantity of the undiluted product could easily be poisoned depending on the dog's size."
Two Deadly Effects of Xylitol
Hypoglycemia
In the canine body, the pancreas confuses xylitol with real sugar and releases insulin to store the "sugar." The problem is that xylitol does not offer the extra calories of sugar and the rush of insulin only serves to remove the real sugar from the circulation. Blood sugar levels plummet resulting in weakness, disorientation, tremors, and potentially seizures.
It does not take many sticks of gum to poison a dog, especially a small dog (see below for toxic doses). Symptoms typically begin within 30 minutes and can last for more than 12 hours. Vomiting and diarrhea may also occur.
Hepatic Necrosis
The other reaction associated with xylitol in the canine body is actual destruction of liver tissue. How this happens remains unknown but the doses of xylitol required to produce this effect are much higher than the hypoglycemic doses described above. Signs take longer to show up (typically 8-12 hours) and surprisingly not all dogs that experience hepatic necrosis, will have experienced hypoglycemia first. A lucky dog experiences only temporary illness but alternatively, a complete and acute liver failure can result with death following. Internal hemorrhage and inability of blood to clot is commonly involved.
How Much Xylitol Is Dangerous?
The hypoglycemic dose of xylitol for dogs is considered to be approximately 0.1 grams per kilogram of body weight (about 0.045 grams per pound). A typical stick of gum contains 0.3 to 0.4 grams of xylitol, which means that a 10 lb dog could be poisoned by as little as a stick and a half of gum.
The dose to cause hepatic necrosis is 1 gram per kilogram of body weight, about ten times more than the above dose. In the example above, the 10 lb dog would have to find an unopened package of gum and eat it for liver destruction to occur."
All from veterinarypartner.com at http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2875&S=1&SourceID=42
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Re: Removing brown stains from teeth.
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#306039 - 12/07/2010 08:56 PM |
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Thanks Connie!!!! 
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[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#306042 - 12/07/2010 09:02 PM |
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There is enough compelling info in there for me to want to stay away from any amount of xylitol. Thanks Connie. 
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#306048 - 12/07/2010 09:40 PM |
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Some dogs will allow you to do a little scraping on their teeth with a dental scaler.
One tooth at a time, careful not to nick the gum. Some show dog folks do this.
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#306049 - 12/07/2010 09:42 PM |
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Yes indeed, thanks Connie!
So any thoughts on gnawing options for scraping the canine teeth, short of a whole carcass as Michael W alluded to earlier, or my half-chicken idea?
Brodie
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#306077 - 12/08/2010 07:45 AM |
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What about this stuff...anybody ever tried it? http://www.wysong.net/products/dentatreat-dog-cat-supplement.php
Ingredients: A special blend of Dental-Active Natural Cheeses, Trona Minerals, Calcium Lactate, Aloe Vera, Potassium Citrate, Direct Fed Microbe Cultures (Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidus, and salivarius), Milk Calcium, Apple Polyphenols, Natural Enzymes, Wysong Whole Salt™, Fructooligosaccharides, Chromium Yeast, Isolated Milk Proteins (including Lactoferrin and Lactoperoxidase).
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Re: Removing brown stains from teeth.
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#306088 - 12/08/2010 08:42 AM |
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I thought greenies were supposed to be pretty good for dogs teeth too? I have this problem with my dog too, because she does NOT like her teeth brushed, etc. I have been using dental cleaning pads lately though that I got from dr. fosters because she seems to tolerate it a little more. i also have petzlife but she hates it. i take her to get a cleaning once x year, but am trying to find something to use in between. she's not a chewer, and does not care for bones/rawhide, but does seem to like greenies at least.
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