 Re: 5 m.old puppy losing her puppy teeth/not eating
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#308939 - 12/28/2010 10:57 AM |
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Nothing to do with any list, but we all know, right, that kibble has significant carbs? Period?
As far as I know, the kibble process still requires starch.
Show me a kibble; I'll show you the starch. 
So a no-grain food (if it's kibble) is going to have something else to make up for it, like maybe white potato.
If you are choosing kibble, it's a matter of choosing among carbs, and choosing relative proportion of carbs.
The category "no grain," in fact, has come to mean just about nothing. A "no grain" food can have more carbs than meat if we add up the white potato, pea flour, ground peas, tapioca, and tomato pomace (and of course there are more).
Actually, what I'm saying is that the old lists have lost a ton of their use unless we actually read the ingredient list. At least IMHO.
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WDJ discusses their lists intelligently and coherently, I think.
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Re: 5 m.old puppy losing her puppy teeth/not eating
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#308943 - 12/28/2010 11:21 AM |
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For the record..we feed TOTW and love it. No issues whatsoever with it and the price is affordable compared to some of the others.
"Vader" my 8 month mal
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Re: 5 m.old puppy losing her puppy teeth/not eating
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#308944 - 12/28/2010 11:28 AM |
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Connie I did experience that in the beginning, the kennal gave her pro pac and when we went to switch, oh man it was not good.
Just some info on the various foods to get moreinformed advice:
The food we now use California natural:
Ingredients: Chicken meal,brown rice rice chicken fat flaxseed sunflower oil potassium vitamins/minerals rosemary extract.
(carbs43%--too much I would rethink this for adult brand)
analysis:crude protein 26% crude fat 16% crude fiber 1.5% vitamin 3 and omega3
Suggested Orijen:boneless chicken, chicken meal,salmon,turkey meal,potato peas eggs liver lists of different fish,alfalfa, pumpkin,chicory, carrots,spinach,turnip,apples, cranberries,blueberries
Analysis: crude protein 38%,Crude Fat 16%,Crude fiber
3%,carbs 25% omegas
Innova has 45% carbs
Just throwing it out there, please don't shoot the messenger 
PS Connie what is WDJ
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[Re: Lisa Bernier ]
#308947 - 12/28/2010 11:37 AM |
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Can someone also tell me how many carbs are in TOTW because on their website I couldn't find that info, thanks
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[Re: Lisa Bernier ]
#308948 - 12/28/2010 11:43 AM |
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Remember that produce is "carbs" too.
When I say that about carbs replacing grain in no-grain kibble, I mean starch carbs.
Unless we read the ingredients, we don't want to just look at numbers.
Innova, for example, contains carb foods like pumpkin, cottage cheese, as I recall, apples, some kind of seeds, and a host of other non-starch carbs that I want to feed. (Dairy all has carbs; all produce IS carb, of the three macronutrients; there are even carbs in some organ meats.)
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#308949 - 12/28/2010 11:44 AM |
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"PS Connie what is WDJ "
Whole Dog Journal
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#308950 - 12/28/2010 11:59 AM |
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Had to go dig up old notes on TOTW. (They don't have to put carbs in "guaranteed analysis" and many do not). OK, the High Prairie had almost 28% and the Pacific Something (the fish one) had the highest at 36%.
As mentioned above, I think we do ourselves (well, our dogs) a disservice to choose based on carb numbers more than on what goes into those numbers.
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[Re: Olivia Brown ]
#308951 - 12/28/2010 12:05 PM |
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For the record..we feed TOTW and love it. No issues whatsoever with it and the price is affordable compared to some of the others.
If I fed kibble, TOTW would be one of the two or three different kibbles I would rotate or combine.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#308952 - 12/28/2010 12:07 PM |
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And people think feeding raw is complex. You got to be kidding.
Glad for me & my dogs that they are on a raw diet. That's WAY too much trouble to figure out.
MY DOGS...MY RULES
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[Re: Anne Jones ]
#308954 - 12/28/2010 12:22 PM |
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And people think feeding raw is complex. You got to be kidding.
Glad for me & my dogs that they are on a raw diet. That's WAY too much trouble to figure out.
Oh, yeah, from "Contains Omega 3s!!!" (not meaning the kind that dogs need) to "No Grain!!!" (not mentioning the white potatoes), the claims have made choosing one a science worthy of a PhD.
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