 Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#318786 - 02/26/2011 12:33 AM |
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I know Des Deux Pottois is gone...so is there any reason for a current breeding dog to carry that name?
There shouldn't be anyone breeding a litter and registering them as 2P, but there are still 2P dogs out there being used for breeding. Very very few, I think most have died by now. But I have semen stored from a 2P dog so at some point you might see a litter being advertised as being from a 2P stud dog, even though he died a few years ago. If Luc for any reason decided to start breeding again, then he could use the kennel name, since it was his.
What about traits that go more than skin deep? Are there equally pronounced differences between the lines?
Many of the traits I mentioned are more than skin deep, such as the speed, agility, etc. Belgian Ring dogs are known for their grips, since that is heavily judged in the program. KNPV dogs are known for being "flyers" on the entry. FR dogs are known for having strong character but still being biddable enough to get the lightening fast outs needed in trials. Individual kennels have different preferences also and will tend to produce a reasonably consistent dog of a certain type. Both physical and mental.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#318795 - 02/26/2011 07:11 AM |
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Hi Ross,
You're right....from the pics the resemblance is amazing! As I may have told you, JD was the runt of his litter and only about 1/2 the size of the other pups (they'd actually named him Nano) and didn't think he would mature anywhere near the size he has. He had another growth spurt just a few months ago where he grew another inch, but he still has long legs and a slender profile (or as Kelly calls him my "skinny-long-legged-mini-mal"  ). I'm hoping he'll continue to fill out for another year (he's 18 mos), but if not, he's just fine for me. He's still strong as an ox for his size and has the prey drive.
So I definitely wasn't imagining the resemblance. Do you know where your guy comes from?
I would also have described my dog as a 'long-legged Mini-Mal' but realizing he's about 50lb at 8 mos. kinda put a stop to that. He was the smallest male in his litter but is now bigger (at least heavier) than some of the other males.
Phaedra, et al--I love the tracking idea and always have. But, I have NO idea how to train it. Where can I start?
Kelly--believe me, I am concerned about the jumping and I watch it like a hawk while constantly soliciting opinions here about what he should and shouldn't be doing. I think I was definitely overdoing the exercise for a while, and I have gone in the other direction lately.
Kadi--thanks for the detailed explanation. My dog's sire is "_____ Des Deux Pottois" and I always thought that was, at the very least, odd.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#318798 - 02/26/2011 07:25 AM |
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Phaedra, et al--I love the tracking idea and always have. But, I have NO idea how to train it. Where can I start?
Right here:  http://leerburg.com/924.htm
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319118 - 02/28/2011 09:17 AM |
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Kadi--thanks for the detailed explanation. My dog's sire is "_____ Des Deux Pottois" and I always thought that was, at the very least, odd.
How old is your dog's sire?
Unfortunately there are some people here in the US who don't seem to think it's a problem to use well known European kennel names on their dogs. And even weirder, sometimes the dog in question isn't even related to the kennel name they put on it.
Not saying that's the situation with your dog, there are still some 2P dogs around, but they would be older dogs at this point as Luc quit breeding quite a few years ago.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319122 - 02/28/2011 09:37 AM |
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Well, the sire is not old enough to be a real 2P dog. 4 years max. And neither of his parents carry the 2P name, they are Dutch-sounding names (van de Haantjeshoek & v.d. Kroezenhoek). Odd.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319132 - 02/28/2011 10:25 AM |
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I know who your dogs sire is, at least I think I do. If it's the dog I think it is, he was born right here in the US, no way he's a 2P dog. I'd be curious what the breeder thinks about the owner's putting the 2P kennel name on the dog, but it looks like all the littermates are registered with different kennel names, so the breeder probably doesn't care what name is put on the dog.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319141 - 02/28/2011 10:48 AM |
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So I definitely wasn't imagining the resemblance. Do you know where your guy comes from?
California 
This is what I know of his pedigree...you can probably tell me more about his lines than I know (still learning about all this stuff) 
Dam "Bellle"....her lineage...
Sire
GATORLAND'S HOWDY(Rocky) N.V.B.K.# 18622
Sire
Atos od Meszta IPO 3, N.VB.K.#18607
Sire Alwin Lufty IPO3, SVV2, SchH3 N.G./N.V.B.K.
Dam Felis Campo SK N.G./N.V.B.K.
Dam
Gatorland's Amy N.V.BK.#18229
Sire Bean Van Het Beenhouwerke(Turbo) ASR 2 N.V.B.K.#15820
Dam Gatorland's Malaica N.G./N.V.B.K.
Dam GATORLAND'S Turbette (NICKI)
Sire Bean Van Het Beenhouwerke(Turbo) ASR 2 N.V.B.K#15820
Sire V'RAcky N.V.B.K.#13362
Dam Velina v/d Sooi v. Beerse N.V.B.K. #13304
Dam
Gatorland's Viper(Kristy)
Sire Kukay's Snap
Dam Zena Von Reinwald
Sorry, I know this is confusing - try to picture it like:
Sire: Sire/Dam
Damn: Sire/Dam
etc., anyway hope that gives you some idea.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319143 - 02/28/2011 10:56 AM |
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I know who your dogs sire is, at least I think I do. If it's the dog I think it is, he was born right here in the US, no way he's a 2P dog. I'd be curious what the breeder thinks about the owner's putting the 2P kennel name on the dog, but it looks like all the littermates are registered with different kennel names, so the breeder probably doesn't care what name is put on the dog.
I'm sending you a PM.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319236 - 02/28/2011 06:27 PM |
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Dana--none of that looks familiar, but all I know about is what I see on Roger's pedigree, lol.
PMing w/Kadi confirmed what I suspected--that Roger's sire is way too young to be a real 2P dog, though there is some real 2P in the pedigree (if correct) including G'Vitou 2P who I understand was an impressive dog. Also a dog named G'Bibber ALSH which I am assuming is the same one I've read about here on LB.
Is Pedigree Database a reliable source of info? I have heard that faking papers on working dogs is easily and frequently done.
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Re: Divergence of Malinois breed
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#319241 - 02/28/2011 06:39 PM |
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h Dana--
Is Pedigree Database a reliable source of info? I have heard that faking papers on working dogs is easily and frequently done.
Liberties are more often taken on mal pedigrees then GSDs, although there are plenty of those as well.
The info is only as reliable as the info entered into it.
Not sure that I would take it as gospel without having other sources for the pedigree info.
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