Connie Sutherland wrote 04/01/2011 06:34 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #325066 - 04/01/2011 06:34 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Barbara Schuler ... Would you suggest having the discussion of perhaps going straight to the environmental allergy testing? I am curious about the order. Did you discuss it?
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Barbara Schuler wrote 04/01/2011 06:39 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #325068 - 04/01/2011 06:39 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	We discussed it early on... starting with mites, then food allergies, then the whole ball of wax. My understanding was this was due to the cost and invasiveness of the next step... however, our purchasing rabbit, etc... isn't going to come cheap for two large dogs. (Not complaining, just saying this as a matter of IF we really don't think it is food allergies, why spend the money on that when we might go to "step 3".
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/01/2011 07:14 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Melissa Thom ] #325078 - 04/01/2011 07:14 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: melissa thom I would personally stay away from bison. Most "bison" in the food supply are actually just beefalo. The industry is pretty dodgey about correctly identifying hybrid animals. Extremely good point. Imagine doing the whole tedious and lengthy strict food trial and wasting the whole thing because it wasn't actually novel after all?
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Melissa Thom wrote 04/01/2011 07:18 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #325079 - 04/01/2011 07:18 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: melissa thom I would personally stay away from bison. Most "bison" in the food supply are actually just beefalo. The industry is pretty dodgey about correctly identifying hybrid animals. Extremely good point. Imagine doing the whole tedious and lengthy strict food trial and wasting the whole thing because it wasn't actually novel after all? Precisely, it's also sometimes difficult to tell, especially when dealing with high percentage hybrids. When the difference for the farmer and butcher is double or even triple the cost of normal beef it's sometimes hard to be honest about the heritage http://www.orchidconservationcoalition.org/pr/exsitucon/bison.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/01/2011 07:22 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #325080 - 04/01/2011 07:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: barbara schuler We discussed it early on... starting with mites, then food allergies, then the whole ball of wax. My understanding was this was due to the cost and invasiveness of the next step... however, our purchasing rabbit, etc... isn't going to come cheap for two large dogs. (Not complaining, just saying this as a matter of IF we really don't think it is food allergies, why spend the money on that when we might go to "step 3". I'm "post-it" ing myself about coming back to this, because I have to go; this is a very interesting question, with good (if nuanced) arguments for both ways. Foster and Smith, for example, are solidly on the side of the food trial being rendered much less useful unless everything else has been ruled out first, including atopy, flea hypersensitivity, internal parasite hypersensitivity, mites, yeast .....
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/01/2011 07:27 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #325083 - 04/01/2011 07:27 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"two large dogs" Why two? For simplicity? I'm not sure I would waste a novel protein on a dog who had no problems. What if that dog needed a food trial some day? Although I do get the horror of contemplating two entirely different home-prepared diets for 10 or 12 weeks. I've done food trials with home-cooked as well as raw, but I think if I needed to do one now, and still feed other dogs, I might go with one of the canned all-exotic-meat foods (I think Mary Straus's site has a list) plus something else for the one dog.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/01/2011 07:30 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Melissa Thom ] #325084 - 04/01/2011 07:30 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: melissa thom  Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: melissa thom I would personally stay away from bison. Most "bison" in the food supply are actually just beefalo. The industry is pretty dodgey about correctly identifying hybrid animals. Extremely good point. Imagine doing the whole tedious and lengthy strict food trial and wasting the whole thing because it wasn't actually novel after all? Precisely, it's also sometimes difficult to tell, especially when dealing with high percentage hybrids. When the difference for the farmer and butcher is double or even triple the cost of normal beef it's sometimes hard to be honest about the heritage http://www.orchidconservationcoalition.org/pr/exsitucon/bison.html Not even with regard to exotic proteins, but I admit that I have in the past picked up the occasional pound of bison for protein variety and suspiciously thought "Hmmmm ..... I wonder ...... "
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Barbara Schuler wrote 04/01/2011 07:32 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Melissa Thom ] #325086 - 04/01/2011 07:32 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Quote: melissa thom  Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: melissa thom I would personally stay away from bison. Most "bison" in the food supply are actually just beefalo. The industry is pretty dodgey about correctly identifying hybrid animals. Extremely good point. Imagine doing the whole tedious and lengthy strict food trial and wasting the whole thing because it wasn't actually novel after all? Precisely, it's also sometimes difficult to tell, especially when dealing with high percentage hybrids. When the difference for the farmer and butcher is double or even triple the cost of normal beef it's sometimes hard to be honest about the heritage http://www.orchidconservationcoalition.org/pr/exsitucon/bison.html Well I just learned something.... I thought the danger was in a butcher/store mixing both beef and bison meat together. I didn't realize the ANIMAL had been cross-bred. Interesting, and a great reason to be very careful about purchasing bison, even from the "farmer". Thanks!
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Melissa Thom wrote 04/01/2011 07:37 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #325087 - 04/01/2011 07:37 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	I just like to be sure that people know what they're getting because honestly with bison, you'd never know the difference unless you saw the animal with it's horns and skin still on and knew what to look for. I personally have a more easy to access novel diet plan. You can get them frozen whole from reptile food dealers, or you can even raise your own tribbles. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/spectrumtrip/peru2234.jpg
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Barbara Schuler wrote 04/01/2011 07:38 PM Re: Starting an Elimination Diet for Falcon [Re: Melissa Thom ] #325089 - 04/01/2011 07:38 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Are those also known at guinea pigs?
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