JessicaKromer wrote 04/14/2011 03:04 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Kendall Cook ] #327251 - 04/14/2011 03:04 PM
JessicaKromer Webboard User Reg: 10-28-2006 Posts: 991 Loc: CA Offline	Quote: kendall cook Thanks, this article talks about tail biting being the end result of tail chasing, Charlie never chased his tail though. I am just at a loss as to why out of the blue he began this behavior, there was nothing leading up to it other than the limp tail. That is the beginning part of the article. What I thought was more apt to your scenario was what followed...  Quote: (They talk about various compulsive behavior like flank sucking, tail chasing, and licking/chewing)...These behaviors are now viewed as obsessive-compulsive disorders. An obsession is a constantly recurring thought ("I should lick my foot"); a compulsion is a repetitive action (licking the foot). Compulsions may follow obsessions or may occur without them. Obsessions are hard to verify in animals. Medical conditions may initiate or derive from compulsive self-mutilation. Some medical conditions that may be associated with self-mutilation include : • Allergies: Fleas, foods or inhalants (may initiate acral lick dermatitis) • Infection: Bacterial, fungal or parasites (may initiate or be a sequel of any of the conditions listed above) • Pain : Previous trauma or joint disease (may precipitate compulsive over-grooming) Where psychogenic factors are involved, self-mutilation will continue long after direct medical causes of the behavior have resolved. It is as if the medical problem starts a behavioral pendulum swinging. Compulsive behaviors may be reinforced if they attract the owner's attention. Anxiety or stress caused by long periods of confinement, social isolation, harassment from another pet, repeated exposure to frightening stimuli, such as loud noises will promote and exacerbate obsessive-compulsive disorders, including self-mutilation. Some dogs appear to be prone to psychogenic self-mutilation. Dobermans, Great Danes, Labrador retrievers , Irish setters and German shepherds are susceptible to acral lick dermatitis. Flank sucking is almost exclusively a Doberman condition. Tail chasing affects primarily bull terriers and German shepherds. And I am glad that he came out of the surgery fine. I am so sorry he is having to deal with all this... Jessica
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Kendall Cook wrote 04/14/2011 03:12 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: JessicaKromer ] #327252 - 04/14/2011 03:12 PM
Kendall Cook Webboard User Reg: 01-06-2011 Posts: 26 Loc: Lubbock, Texas Offline	I liked Michaels "isolated incident" scenario better, I don't want to think about this being an ongoing problem
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Michael_Wise wrote 04/14/2011 03:17 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Kendall Cook ] #327253 - 04/14/2011 03:17 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: kendall cook I liked Michaels "isolated incident" scenario better, I don't want to think about this being an ongoing problem Don't. Because right now it is not an ongoing problem. But at the same time, take the info that Jessica and others have armed you with and be prepared. There is a difference between being prepared, and worrying needlessly. For example, I'd bet that everybody here knows what to look for and how to react with bloat. It could happen to any dog. But we do not actively worry about bloat. See the difference? Don't fret.:smile: This is going to be fine.
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Betty Landercasp wrote 04/14/2011 03:22 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Kendall Cook ] #327254 - 04/14/2011 03:22 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	I think it will be an isolated incident. Regarding the vet's attitude, if you don't like them don't go back, but this business with the tail is another one of those things that is mysterious --- sometimes when a frustrated and caring owner demands an explanation for what is obviously a dreadful condition, and you have none to give, you can come off looking uncaring, when really you DO care, a bunch, but you have nothing to offer by way of explanation. It is just not understood --- the fact that we don't have tails ourselves is part of the reason why cold tail is such a mystery. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Michael_Wise wrote 04/14/2011 03:24 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #327255 - 04/14/2011 03:24 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	I think Theresa was the only one that didn't like the vet's attitude.
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Meredith Hamilton wrote 04/14/2011 04:06 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Michael_Wise ] #327256 - 04/14/2011 04:06 PM
Meredith Hamilton Webboard User Reg: 01-25-2009 Posts: 1082 Loc: Columbus, Ohio Offline	Poor Charlie. I'm sure the sugery was necessary. I've heard that tail injuries that severe are almost impossible to heal. One of the best things I've learned from my Leerburg friends is to be strong for my dog when he needs me to be. When I'd like to cry and moan when he's hurting I have to suck it up and be stoic to support him. So, try not to worry or fuss over him too much. Ripley & his Precious
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/14/2011 05:42 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Meredith Hamilton ] #327265 - 04/14/2011 05:42 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	I'm sorry you guys are going through this. I know how hard it is to control your emotions when the dog is in pain. I cried when my dog had pano! Can't imagine how hard it must have been to come home to something like this. I hope Charlie feels better soon.
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Theresa MacDonal wrote 04/14/2011 06:06 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #327271 - 04/14/2011 06:06 PM
Theresa MacDonal Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2008 Posts: 248 Loc: Offline	Glad he is resting & comfortable. He'll be Glad to see you tomorrow!!
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Joyce Salazar wrote 04/14/2011 06:13 PM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #327275 - 04/14/2011 06:13 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Just wishing Charlie a good recovery. He sounds like a wonderful dog. I agree completely with Meredith in that you want to be strong for him, keep him comfortable, but do your best not to let him see you in anguish ( although you have every reason to be sad) Your strength will send a message to him that he is in good hands. My thoughts are with you and Charlie, I hope he heals fast. Joyce Salazar
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Kendall Cook wrote 04/18/2011 11:25 AM Re: Cold Tail syndrome [Re: JessicaKromer ] #328177 - 04/18/2011 11:25 AM
Kendall Cook Webboard User Reg: 01-06-2011 Posts: 26 Loc: Lubbock, Texas Offline	Well, here is the outcome, he isn't doing nearly as bad as I thought. He doesn't seem to pay much attention to it now http://s1100.photobucket.com/albums/g403/ArkansasFD/
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