Tracy Collins wrote 05/09/2011 10:23 AM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #331915 - 05/09/2011 10:23 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	What is the coming and going routine like at your house when you leave the dog? Like, specifically, what do you say and do when you put the dog in the crate and prepare to leave? When you arrive home to the dog, what do you say or do? How do you interact with the dog upon arrival? I ask, because changing my behavior at these times fixed a similar separation anxiety problem that my GSD had as a pup. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Joyce Salazar wrote 05/09/2011 10:42 AM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #331921 - 05/09/2011 10:42 AM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Quote: eric eschmann Like any 8 y.o., he is not the best at always remembering to close his door or not to let the dog slip by him. For numerous reasons beyond that, life will be much easier and managing much simpler what at times is 4 dogs at the house IF this little Mal learns to behave in the garage crate. I don't understand why the dog is alone in the crate in the garage? Are you doing groundwork? But still why isolate the pup in the garage? Perhaps I missed something earlier in this thread?  Quote: mara jessup If she is sleeping in my son's room she will behave fine while loose, sleeping on the floor without a problem. So long as the door is closed, she stays in there and is quiet until I go to get her, which is anytime between 5:30 and 7:00 A.M. If let her sleep in there with the door open, without fail she'll come and wake me up at 4:00. I have in the past when she's done this told her to "platz" and she'll lay by my bed until I get up, but I wish she would stay in my son's room even when the door is left open. I can have her tethered on a leash to my son's bed with his door open and she is fine then also, secured to the bed but not barking or whining. and 1. my young son thinks of her as "his" dog and wants her in his room. So if your son wants her in his room, and she does just fine in his room with the door closed or if she's tethered, what is the issue at home?? I agree with Mara, why can't the dog be in your son's room in the crate? Joyce Salazar
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Joyce Salazar wrote 05/09/2011 01:31 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #331951 - 05/09/2011 01:31 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Eric, I am not sure if this link helps you at all, but FWIW, I thought I would post it anyway, as maybe someone else might learn something from this: http://www.jack-russell-terrier.co.uk/advice/isolation.html Joyce Salazar
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Eric Eschmann wrote 05/09/2011 01:50 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #331954 - 05/09/2011 01:50 PM
Eric Eschmann Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2007 Posts: 162 Loc: Vero Beach, FL Offline	When I leave the house I don't make a big production. Simply put her into the crate and go on my way. Likewise, when I come home I let her out and then take her outside to relieve herself, if she's kept the crate clean. If not, she get's tied up for a bath I purposely try not to over stimulate or make a big deal of my leaving or returning. Depending on when the dog needs to be crated and for what purpose, I'll opt for the garage crate over the indoor crate in the hopes of not being constantly disturbed by her whining, spinning, etc. I'll check out the link. thank you Always looking for training avenues close to home. Any suggestions?
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Joyce Salazar wrote 05/09/2011 02:19 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #331957 - 05/09/2011 02:19 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Quote: Eric Eschmann Depending on when the dog needs to be crated and for what purpose, I'll opt for the garage crate over the indoor crate in the hopes of not being constantly disturbed by her whining, spinning, etc. So the dog has had anxiety from the beginning or has it progressed? Isolating the dog to the garage would increase the dog's anxiety. Just from my point of view, I would not continue to isolate the dog anymore, ever. I would work the dog more in OB and give lots more exercise before crating the dog inside when you have to leave. I would put the dog where she feels most comfortable and has a sense of being included and a part of the family. What kind of exercise if the dog getting? Joyce Salazar
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Barbara Schuler wrote 05/09/2011 02:28 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #331959 - 05/09/2011 02:28 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	A few thoughts... Don't make this harder than it is. Begin working on this issue where you are having the most success - in your son's room. If the 8 year old "thinks this is his dog" then begin including him in the process and teach him to CLOSE his door, etc... if he wants the PRIVILEGE of having the dog in his room. You don't have issues with the dog in your son's room except at the times your son doesn't remember to close the door. Put an automatic "closer" at the top of the door. Reward your SON for being responsible and helping in the raising of the dog. We have a nice looking wooden pet gate which opens like a gate, at the hallway back to the masterbedroom. Consider using one at the door to your son's room. Confining the dog to a crate in the garage away from family members and other family dogs is a bit cruel in my opinion, and could possibly increase the separation anxiety.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/09/2011 02:56 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #331960 - 05/09/2011 02:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	So much in Barbara's post was what made me drop off the thread yesterday. I couldn't (still can't) wrap my mind around isolating a pack animal with separation anxiety. Then this morning my mind also went "boing" with "What does this teach an eight-year-old? That if his responsibilities are shirked, the results are whisked out of sight?" I really DON'T want to sound like this. I know how confrontational I sound. I believe that laying out these opinions will trigger a change in POV in the O.P. Maybe a certain POV became fixed and the needs of the dog were kind of overlooked.
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Barbara Schuler wrote 05/09/2011 03:11 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #331964 - 05/09/2011 03:11 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Funny... I just signed back on to point out how a certain "mind set" can sometimes block out other options and here Connie has broached the possibility... (in a non-confrontational way, btw). I also wanted to mention further, which Connie just did - that you have an animal which has separation anxiety and yet a goal is to get her quiet/clean in a crate all by herself. How about rethinking this goal and going toward something along the lines of "quiet and clean and in the son's room"? You are already having GREAT success in the son's room with minor tweaking needed, so for the life of me I can't figure out why our goal would be to start from square one and potentially make the situation / dog worse... And a HUGE ditto to the fact that an 8 year old is learning the wrong lesson if his desire to have the dog in his room has no responsibilities attached AND the four legged creature who doesn't get a vote nor understands why, is relegated to the garage, alllllll alone.
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Eric Eschmann wrote 05/09/2011 07:32 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #332013 - 05/09/2011 07:32 PM
Eric Eschmann Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2007 Posts: 162 Loc: Vero Beach, FL Offline	Points to ponder. I appreciate fresh sets of eyes looking at the situation from various views and experiences. I know I wasn't looking at the issue from every angle and I appreciate the input. Always looking for training avenues close to home. Any suggestions?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/09/2011 07:53 PM Re: Soiling crate due to seperation anxiety [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #332018 - 05/09/2011 07:53 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I appreciate your response more than I can say .... as in "maybe all these people have something worth listening to." No sarcasm here, no irony, no nothing: Just: I appreciate your setting aside of any knee-jerk defensiveness, and your mature and thoughtful deliberation. It is beyond refreshing.
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