Betty Landercasp wrote 10/05/2011 07:17 AM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Ben McDonald ] #346188 - 10/05/2011 07:17 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	Tabatha, you are correct, he had decided to quit. But the job wasn't done.... Thanks you guys, you are so supportive. 4 sheep come today! The ducks are too weak for my dog, cows are a bit strong, turkeys become airborne -- maybe sheep will be just right.... http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/05/2011 11:04 AM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346207 - 10/05/2011 11:04 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Like Goldilocks .... "A-HA! This animal is JUST RIGHT!" PS Kudos to the folks who remind everyone of what happens to just about all of us .... off the forum.
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Betty Waldron wrote 10/05/2011 01:13 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #346224 - 10/05/2011 01:13 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Quote: Kelly Byrd  Quote: Betty Landercasp but I see you guys petting your dogs while they are growling and biting sleeves, I don't see your dogs turning around and biting you. We call that redirection. 'We' don't like to post pics/video of it, but TRUST ME, it happens!!! I say 'we'... I mean bite sport people in general. I'd guess that everyone has seen it happen. If it happens to a good friend of yours, and only clothing is ripped, you giggle. Otherwise, you check on the person, then giggle. I've left training with shredded clothing, and that was on the days it was just me and dog with a tug. Bogie would nip at my leg as we turned to heel away away from the helper. Never even left a red mark, but the teeth just touched my skin. On leash, off leash. Turn nip. Tried everything, finally just started giving him a preventive smack on the top of his head as we turned and he would look at me and grin. Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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Anne Jones wrote 10/05/2011 01:22 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Betty Waldron ] #346227 - 10/05/2011 01:22 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	Ahhhh, yes...redirection during bite work....got the scars on my leg to prove how much fun that is. NOT! Or coming up the leash when corrected for an attempt at a dirty bite. Arn't bite sports fun?!! :-) Shreaded clothes...I have sweat shirts & pants that look like swiss cheese from when my female was a young puppy playing tug or just walking by her. Used to walk around with her hanging on the bottom of my sweatshirts. Silly dog. Had a male pup that used to jump up & grab my jacket shoulder & hang there. :-) MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Kelly Byrd wrote 10/05/2011 02:42 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Anne Jones ] #346241 - 10/05/2011 02:42 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	My favorite Dog t-shirt (Says 'I'm with the Dutch Shepherd', with an arrow pointing down to the left -basic position/heeling position-) Has a big ol' hole in it from a certain Dutch Shepherd I know. Damn dog ruined my favorite Tshirt. My Mother asked about the hole. I explained, and she found it incredibly amusing that the dog did it.
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/05/2011 03:40 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346247 - 10/05/2011 03:40 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Betty, I don't want to discount what you've done with Pinker because you've done a great job with him and have made great progress! But have you considered getting a good working bred pup/started dog? It sounds like he's really on edge with the job you're asking him to do. This usually happens with a dog that lacks the skill and confidence to handle the job or they're in over their head. The stock reads confidence/lack of confidence in a dog and responds accordingly. It's amazing to watch a dog with confidence handle stock. Their whole presence says "I'm in charge" and while they'll most certainly bite if needed, they don't need to nearly as much as a weak dog does. I think when we ask our dogs to do real jobs, we also need to be very aware of what they can handle and not put them in over their head. I think it damages our relationship with them when we ask too much of them - they need to be able to trust us like we need to trust them and their abilities. K-9 Knitter
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Betty Landercasp wrote 10/05/2011 04:30 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Mara Jessup ] #346260 - 10/05/2011 04:30 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	An English Shepherd breeder was here today, Mara, with an adorable pup and an older dog. We have 5 Katahdin sheep now. There is truth in what you say. The woman who was here today has a spayed female from good bloodlines, all trained, that she would like to place. She wants to keep the pup (a female) and says you can only have so many bitches. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/05/2011 04:33 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346262 - 10/05/2011 04:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Do some people have different dogs for different herding jobs? I mean, is this feasible/common/doable?
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/05/2011 08:55 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346275 - 10/05/2011 08:55 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp An English Shepherd breeder was here today, Mara, with an adorable pup and an older dog. We have 5 Katahdin sheep now. There is truth in what you say. The woman who was here today has a spayed female from good bloodlines, all trained, that she would like to place. She wants to keep the pup (a female) and says you can only have so many bitches. Might be worth considering. In getting an adult I would be sure that a dog can handle the tasks that you have for it. I'd want to know what type of stock the dog handles (sheep, cows, etc) and want to watch the dog work. Even better ask her to come to your place and run through some common chores with the dog. Could be a great dog, but unless you know/trust this lady I want to check the dog out thoroughly before taking her on. If you're ever interested in some others so you could evaluate a few different dogs, I could help you find some. It's not too hard to find a young started dog, or an older dog that is being retired from trialing. The older dogs are usually 7-8, well trained and should have several good years left for farm chores. Edited by Mara Jessup (10/05/2011 09:09 PM) Edit reason: typo... K-9 Knitter
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/05/2011 09:08 PM Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346277 - 10/05/2011 09:08 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: connie sutherland Do some people have different dogs for different herding jobs? I mean, is this feasible/common/doable? Yes and no. A well bred Border Collie can learn to handle a wide variety of chores. But most dogs have bents/personalities that make them better at one job than another. So if a person has more than one dog they'll most likely start to have a "go to" dog for certain chores. You'll hear about great lambing dogs, dogs that excel at pen work, etc. Some dogs can move cows really well, some dogs don't have enough power to do that but handle lighter (ie stock that is a bit more flighty) just fine. K-9 Knitter
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