Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008
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Thanks for the info, Connie. I was hoping you'd weigh in.
I'm still a little confounded by the dry matter percentage issue. Because when calculated by THAT standard, a raw diet like you and I feed is more like 50-60% protein, 30-40% fat, 10% carb/fiber. Not that I give a fig what the numbers are. But using this dry matter calculation, a raw diet is "higher protein." It's similar to kibbles when calculated "as fed."
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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I don't come out that high. I'm not at home and doing the conversion with pencil and paper, so I keep getting confused when I do the produce, fish oil, etc., separately, and then combine with the meat part.
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(On those first two links, enter the same serving size for each so you are comparing the same amount of each. I didn't notice that immediately and went through a bunch of unnecessary arithmetic. )
Edited by Connie Sutherland (07/13/2012 09:07 PM)
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For some reason my post did not appear. incompetence?
It said.This has been a most interesting discussion and I ' m sure it has made some people think more about protein and diet.
I am very grateful to Connie for pointing out the dry matter conversion which ,to me ,has been the key to understanding the subject better.
Whist not challenging the importance of temperament and training I personally don't think we can dismiss food as a contributing factor in behaviours.I can think of at least one study by Tufts University which demonstrated a reduction in protein resulted in a reduction in certain forms of aggression in dogs.
I have very limited experience in canine nutrition but do have quite a lot with horses.There I have found different foods,nutrients,protein levels would affect the horses behaviour considerably.I would have thought that would also apply to humans I can't see why that the same reasoning could not apply to dogs.
Every one has been most helpful and I am grateful.
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008
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An "ah ha" that's come up in a PM conversation is the bone content of a raw diet.
None of these nutrition tables that list protein, fat, and carbs are including bone--because the tables are for human nutrition.
But dog's are eating a good deal of bone in a raw diet. And it is indigestible collagen and two-thirds calcium phosphate. That volume is neither protein, fat, water, nor carb. But it is part of the total food volume. So it therefore reduces the percent of protein in the diet--by dry matter or any other calculation method.
Suffice to say that I'm comfortable with the level of protein in a raw, species-appropriate diet for dogs. I don't think it is too high. (for what?) But one could manipulate the protein level down in a raw diet by increasing fat or increasing carbs.
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