Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Preach it David Frost!!!!!!!!
Yep.
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I totally disagree. PSD do not need to be "pettable". I do agree they should always be under control. That is the responsibility of the handler. I teach and prefer, that our PSD's not be subjected to petting by the general public. They aren't a toy. I don't let them hold my pistol, or my impact weapon, or my pepper spray, I'm not going to let them fondle my dog either. Control on the other hand, is the responsibility of the handler. That includes not putting the dog in a lose-lose situation, unless it's to protect life, when deploying the dog. I have respect for Schutzhund and other dog sports, but what I do for a living is not sport. My goal is not to score points by pleasing a judge. What I teach must be practical application.
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Quote: Willie Tilton
Preach it David Frost!!!!!!!!
Yep.
Quote: David C.Frost
I totally disagree. PSD do not need to be "pettable". I do agree they should always be under control. That is the responsibility of the handler. I teach and prefer, that our PSD's not be subjected to petting by the general public. They aren't a toy. I don't let them hold my pistol, or my impact weapon, or my pepper spray, I'm not going to let them fondle my dog either. Control on the other hand, is the responsibility of the handler. That includes not putting the dog in a lose-lose situation, unless it's to protect life, when deploying the dog. I have respect for Schutzhund and other dog sports, but what I do for a living is not sport. My goal is not to score points by pleasing a judge. What I teach must be practical application. DFrost
I don't get why so many today not only think they have a right to pet any dog but also think their children have some kind of right to run up to any dog (much less a police k9)and pet it.
I do feel sorry for the 5 year old. It's not her fault her parents haven't taught her. But, she could have been taught. My nephews and niece all knew by that age to never approach dogs without first the owner's permission and then the dog's permission. If they did not have both, they did not try to pet the dog.
And what is it with some of the handlers? I mean leaving a dog in a parked car in NOLA during the summer without AC running? Taking a police K9 to the beach and not at the very least being completely diligent about making sure, not just "warning" a 5 year old, that there was no interactions?
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I'm not making excuses for the handler. I can't justify a handler leaving his dog in a vehicle without a/c. I can't justify the 5 dogs another poster knows of that died tragically. That isn't what the discussion was about. It is the handler's responsibility to ensure safety, not the parents, not the public, not even the "bad guy". It is the handler's responsibility pure and simple. I don't leave a pistol where a 5 year old can pick it up and shoot someone any more than I will allow the dog to bite someone without my commanding it to happen. The parents, in this situation, may well be idiots, but at that point it is the handler's responsibility. Basically, there are two situations where a PSD should bite someone; 1. when it's commanded to do so, 2. when the handler is attacked. In situations other than this, please see 1 and 2.
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Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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David;
Sorry about my rant.
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It is the handler's responsibility to ensure safety, not the parents, not the public, not even the "bad guy". It is the handler's responsibility pure and simple.
That is what I was trying to get to. The OP questions the predictability of a police dog. The problem is not the temperament of the dog; this handler broke PD rules by taking this dog to a party, and she is alone responsible. She says that the little girl was warned; this suggests to me that the dog's behavior was entirely predictable.
This handler has very poor judgment, and this is not indicative of the quality of police handling and training that I am familiar with, but seeing these stories about innocent people getting hurt and dogs being labelled can sometimes overshadow a lot of the good that you guys do.
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The parents, in this situation, may well be idiots, but at that point it is the handler's responsibility. Basically, there are two situations where a PSD should bite someone; 1. when it's commanded to do so, 2. when the handler is attacked. In situations other than this, please see 1 and 2.
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