 Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366757 - 09/18/2012 01:53 PM |
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i suppose like most pet owners, i am worried if i do it to hard can the prongs do him any harm, like puncture the skin. Which i suppose is why im really only tickling him with it, although it does make him think twice, but try again. In the UK you can't buy a prong collar except on the net, so i feel a little concious walking him with it on, as people over here frown on them. But my dog has pulled on the lead for the past 7 months and its time it stopped. So people will just have to frown. Thanks for your info Duane
Hi Brian
I'm in the UK too, and was concerned about the death stares from the uninformed too when using prongs - initially I put light weight Buffs round their necks, but after a while I stopped using them, and have only ever had one question about it from a vet nurse, and that was genuine curiosity.
There are the militants out there, but I haven't met any of them yet, I use e-collars on 2 of them also, again, never been asked about them, and unless I move to Wales, where they are banned,  I can use them without outside interference!
Ps I think it's great you are looking for 'proper' levels of mental and physical activities for your dog, there are several BC's in our tiny village that get little or no exercise, and are sad and manic dingbats, poor dogs...
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366760 - 09/18/2012 03:08 PM |
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There are some videos here that show how the prong works, and it is my favorite tool. My dog loves it when I bring out the prong, because she knows there will be some kind of outing.
The prongs, which are too blunt to puncture skin without extreme force, are not pulled into the neck. When the live ring is pulled, the collar closes on itself, changing the pitch (angle) of the prongs, pinching the skin. hold it open with one hand and close it with the other, and you'll see. This is why it is called a "pinch collar". Unlike a choke, which pinches the skin in one place, the force is applied evenly around the neck.
From your post, it sounds like you're using the prong to hold the dog back from pulling at the leash. This is not the correct application for this tool. You should do leash pressure training with your dog, which is also covered in the Michael Ellis videos. Basically, the dog pulls, you stop. EVERY time. Soon the dog learns that it's not getting what he wants (forward movement) until he yields to the lead.
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366763 - 09/18/2012 04:07 PM |
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The business that you described about the leash --- he didn't want the walk to end, in my view. So he was doing what he could to get you to keep going. And if he looked like he might "come up the leash at you", I understand that too, my dog used to do that, he's only 28 lbs, but it scared me, he'd get PISSED.
So, instead of yanking on him, next time, right before he starts that business, tell him "SIT!" in a cheery voice and immediatly give him a tiny piece of bacon. That will surprise him. Then whirl around and go the other way for a few feet. Make this walking a jackpot of surprises, great tiny snacks, sometimes toys come out.
He can learn to bring his leash, to earn the walk. That's the nothing in life is free business. It's more communication, you do this for me, I do this for you.
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366774 - 09/18/2012 05:49 PM |
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Here is a really good outline of Nothing in Life is Free http://k9deb.com/nilif.htm
Something else - as you're expanding his mental and physical exercise outside, you can also be teaching him to "chill" in the house.
Crate training will really help with this in the beginning. He should get to the point where he is happy to sack out indoors. I have a 3 y/o and a 7 y/o and they're go-go-go dogs outdoors, but indoors they can happily lay around for several hours while I do whatever. Border Collies *can* go all day long, but they don't need to as long as they have sufficient mental/physical exercise. My two get an average of 2 hours/day in the exercise dept and are just fine. The key is quality exercise that works their brains and good training (that also works their brains!) Mental exercise (trick training, nose games, agility, stock work) is what really fulfills a BC's needs.
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366775 - 09/18/2012 05:58 PM |
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While I agree that food is better for much of training, You can be using his toys with some things right now if he's really good at bringing them back to you (which many BCs do automatically)
For play time instead of just throwing a toy, work basic commands into it. Heel, sit, down, focus, stay - these can all be worked on during playtime. Don't throw it unless he does something for it first. This will incorporate NILIF into exercise routines and give him a nice balance of mental and physical exercise.
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366776 - 09/18/2012 06:02 PM |
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So, instead of yanking on him, next time, right before he starts that business, tell him "SIT!" in a cheery voice and immediatly give him a tiny piece of bacon. That will surprise him. Then whirl around and go the other way for a few feet. Make this walking a jackpot of surprises, great tiny snacks, sometimes toys come out.
Yes!! This! Stay two steps ahead of him and you stop issues before they start
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366806 - 09/19/2012 03:00 AM |
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366807 - 09/19/2012 06:46 AM |
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In the video "Angry Benji", he's not angry; he's begging for engagement. He wants to do something. In the fetch video, he's gazing a you intntly because he's ready for action and needs you to provide it.
This dog is BEGGING you to challenge him. A lot of sport handlers would love to get that kind of engagement.
I'd build an obstacle course in my backyard (good project to get your blood moving) and spend at least one hour a day starting this dog in agility.
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366816 - 09/21/2012 07:04 PM |
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In the video "Angry Benji", he's not angry; he's begging for engagement. He wants to do something. In the fetch video, he's gazing a you intntly because he's ready for action and needs you to provide it.
This dog is BEGGING you to challenge him. A lot of sport handlers would love to get that kind of engagement.
I'd build an obstacle course in my backyard (good project to get your blood moving) and spend at least one hour a day starting this dog in agility.
I have to say that "Angry Benji" (not!) is demanding as hard as he knows how for something to do, WITH YOU.
And Duane is right: this kind of desire to engage with you, to play or work with you, is priceless. And there it is, right there in front of you.  NILIF, then play!
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Re: Agressive Border Collie
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#366818 - 09/19/2012 10:33 AM |
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PS
Are you familiar with teaching the dog to retrieve (fetch)?
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