@ Samanta, I took this advice from Ed Frawley from Leerburg podcast and article titled Theory of Corrections in Dog Training page 8. Here is a copy and post.

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Today I recommend that we can get the point across
with most (not all) pups by simply grabbing a pup
firmly by the scruff of both cheeks and firmly holding
them as we stare into their eyes and firmly warn
them to “KNOCK IT OFF”. You could even growl at
them until they submit (just as their mother did)

But he sais that it could work with most (not all) dogs....I guess Ziva falls in the Not All category.

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"Today I recommend that we can get the point across
with most (not all) pups by simply grabbing a pup
firmly by the scruff of both cheeks and firmly holding
them as we stare into their eyes and firmly warn
them to KNOCK IT OFF. You could even growl at
them until they submit (just as their mother did)"


I think I remember Ed retracting this advice on one of his DVDs, or podcasts.

I also read about this technique in the book by the Monks of New Skeet.

Wishing you all the best, Solange!

@ Christy; you are right about Ed retracting a correction advice on a semilar method; I took the liberty to copy and paste part of the article. And thank you for your wishes, As the day go by it seems to escalate.....yesterday she was at her worst since all this started. I honnestly think that is is due to 2 factors, first, me doing something wrong and second the 10' line, she HATES it, I think I will take it off today.

Copyright Leerburg® Enterprises Inc.

15 years ago when I was breeding some very hard
puppies I wrote an article titled “Teaching Your Puppy
the Meaning of the Word NO”. In it I recommended
grabbing the pup (when it was biting you or a family
member) by the nape of the neck and shaking until
it squealed like a pig. Well that advice was wrong. It
worked for my pups because they were hard pups
and recovered quickly from a correction (and handler
mistakes). Soft puppies could have some serious
problems with this treatment.
Today I recommend that we can get the point across
with most (not all) pups by simply grabbing a pup
firmly by the scruff of both cheeks and firmly holding
them as we stare into their eyes and firmly warn
them to “KNOCK IT OFF”. You could even growl at
them until they submit (just as their mother did).

QUOTE (Tracy Collins): What is mealtime like for this food-motivated pup?

IMO, nothing says "leader" to a dog stronger than reminding them twice a day who is in charge of the food.

I would be putting this dog through her paces and at deferential attention while you prepare the food, put the food down, and enforce a good long wait before releasing her to eat.




She wast thought from day one to sit and wait the "OK" word to start eating....and she could stay for a long time, what I meen by that is for a puppy 30 sec to 1 min is a very long time. BUT she started growling when we came by her side while she was eating. I took bad advice from a so call behaviorist in our area that suggested to take the food away meaning to have her sit before the food was entirely finished and tell her "OK" again....and so on during her feeding.....well that made it worst. I did not do it for long as I saw her body tensing, tail tuck under, ears behind and eating very rapidely, I then got in touch with Val DeSantis from Colorado that suggested to hold the bowl in my both hands and feed her holding it so she can smell my hands and he said that will help building a bond between the dog and I......so now she is told to sit and as soon as there is an eye contact I say "OK" in a joyfull tone and let her eat. She is now relaxed at feeding time, the tail is relaxed, so as the ears. She takes her nose out of her bowl to chew or pick up some that fell on the floor, she even licks my fingers when she is finished. She doesn't growl to the cat that walks by either. It is MUCH better.


Same thing for anything the dog wants or values. Before going through a doorway, before getting any toy, before exiting a crate or car... The dog gets nothing without saying please and acknowledging that you make all the decisions.

I have been doing this from day one too. If we are many to leave for a walk, her and I are the last one to get out and she needs to sit before I get out, waiting for the authorisation to come, then she sits before I close the door. The car is the same. She is not aggressive with toys. She rings the bell to go outside for her business, so she rings, then sit, then I go out first, then she comes when I say that she can......Let me tell you I control every aspect of her life, she has nothing or allowed to do anything without her asking with a sit and me deciding that she can or not. I do not fight with these aspects of our daily routine....she is very good on that, she doesn't even try....it became part of a retual actualy, she doesn't know any different that is probably why....and I am very consistant. I do these EVERY time....not once did I said. oh well today we are in a hurray lets go quickly.....I am very very consistant.


For now, I wouldn't even let her decide for herself where to lie down. If she lies in one spot of her choosing, tell her to get up from that spot, and then place her in a down in Nother spot that you select.

I do that to when she sneek into the living room for exemple, or to close to the kitchen doorway. but our house is very small there are not that many space and places for her to chose.

A leader doesn't alter their path to walk around a dog lying in the way. They barrel through. Anything in the way better move.

I don't alter my path, but to avoid a confrontation, I announce myself if I walk by her very close.

It sounds like you're doing the right things--but perhaps not at the proper intensity for this particular dog. Some need more overt leadership--meaning a louder, deeper tone of voice or a harder stare, or a swifter response. One strong correction may do more good than lots of not-strong-enough attempts. Every pup this age tests their limits. Some just need those limits spelled out with more clarity.

I need to take a video of a day spent with Ziva and you will see that I am not a sissy lol.....I am a high level figure skating coach.....my point is that I don't take shit from nobody, I don't cuddle athletes that are lazy and want the gold medal....I push and I am very demanding.....I expect and I have been told that I am like that all the time, not a bully but firm and structured.....I really don't get that Ziva doesn't get it.....WTF??? lol Sorry for the last words lol

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Edited by Connie Sutherland (05/12/2013 12:57 PM)
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Hum that is strange I think I answered twice to Tracy because I do not see my replies but I see that there are to empty boxes sent to her.....I try the quote reply fonction but obviously do not know how it works....sorry about that.






NOTE: You left off the end-quote tag, which made the post invisible. Visible again!

Edited by Connie Sutherland (05/12/2013 12:58 PM)
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Solange;

I think I hear you saying that the more you try to manage the dog, the worse her behavior gets? If you don't establish some firm leadership, this dog is going to be a danger to you and your family. Do you have children? If so, Ziva will soon outweigh them.

I feel a little differently than some of my counterparts about breed, type, and personality being a factor. In the end, Ziva is the dog, and must learn to live by YOUR rules. Ask David Winners.

What Mike and Tracy are trying to point out, in a diplomatic, friendly way, is that the dog needs to learn who the dog is and who the human is, and what the role of each is. Sure, it would be much sweeter (and easier and more pleasant for you) in the end if she just gets it through bonding, giving her space, managing situations better, etc., but you need to have a plan in case those methods don't work out. If she is too much to handle now, just wait and see what she's like when she's 88 pounds.

ETA...Just a suggestion: If I were you, I'd pm Kristin Muntz and David Winners. They have both overcome long odds with hard dogs. In David's case, he turned around a mature dog that noone could handle, and since then, that dog has worked with multiple handlers. Kristin learned, through this site, to control a difficult puppy . The key to both was determination to make it work out, and commitment to o whatever it took.

Thank you Duane, how can I get in touch with Kristin and David?

Once again many thanks

Solange

Go to "My Stuff" at the top of this page. From the drop-down menu, select "New Private Message" When you start typing their names into the address box, auto-complete will provide the names. Click enter on the correct selection.

The reason I suggested pm is that neither has posted recently, and may not be seeing this thread.

Good luck. We all want to hear a success story in the coming weeks.