So i did take the comments really serious, and i was actually upset. But as my dogs let go alla bad things i did the same. Im still going to the park: ONLY for the classes and my girls will always be on-leash!.
Im changing the running with other dogs to bycicle trips, fetch and tug with me or my sister. I do have a lot to work on since Havanna is more interested on sniffing the new place we are going than going for the ball, she Did went 2 or 3 times. Sookie on the other hand didnt take a butts butterfly on the ball.
I need to work on both girls "ingnoring" other dogs on leash.
And last but not least i will find a place with big water deposits where i can go with my dogs for them to swim.

I do have a problem, a big one that hit me like a rock reading all the comments, both my dogs are BULLIES! Sookie bullies Havanna, so Havanna bullies every dog she cans, unless like Kira-dominant, no patience type of dog- shows the no friendly attitude. Im going to be real honest here and i do not have a clue how to stop my girls to be bullies between each other and with the dogs they meet on class.
Im truing to read everything about bullies, but almost all the post but me in the position of "putting the bullie dog with a more bullie dog and let them get out by themselfs" kind of stuff. Any advice would be like heaven here.
Thanks all for the honest comments and by taking the time to read and reply. Im still learning a lot of things about dogs and training and im trying to shake off bad experiences

Milanka, your response to all the opinions and advice says so much about your serious attitude to solving the issues you are having with your girls.

It is really nice to read someone taking all the advice on board and acting on it, not getting the hump and being defensive.

Good on you, much respect

Bumping to remind us of the bullying advice needed ....

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I do have a problem, a big one that hit me like a rock reading all the comments, both my dogs are BULLIES! Sookie bullies Havanna, so Havanna bullies every dog she cans, unless like Kira-dominant, no patience type of dog- shows the no friendly attitude. Im going to be real honest here and i do not have a clue how to stop my girls to be bullies between each other and with the dogs they meet on class.
Im truing to read everything about bullies, but almost all the post but me in the position of "putting the bullie dog with a more bullie dog and let them get out by themselfs" kind of stuff. Any advice would be like heaven here.
Thanks all for the honest comments and by taking the time to read and reply. Im still learning a lot of things about dogs and training and im trying to shake off bad experiences

Kenzi is a bully. Or she would be if I let her. When I got her she quickly sized up the other 2 dogs I had at the time. She wouldn't push my older female. at. all. But my male was fair game (he is a bottom of the totem pole type of dog) she could take bones and toys away from him with ease and would try to resource guard from him. So I'd step in and prempttively stop her. I'd watch her body language and stop her before she could start to bully. And chew toys/bones were only given out when I was there to supervise. Kenzi is not a dominant dog, just opportunistic and pushy, and the behavior pretty much went away when she found that it wouldn't work. TThe key IMO is staying 2 steps ahead and correcting it when it's in the body language (lots of posturing is done with body language) stage before they act on it. For Kenzi, correcting meant calling her away or just stepping in between her and Kipp and telling her to go lay down.

Geez, hope you got some insightful information from my last post.

I think it said that I don't let my dogs romp & roll freely together, or with another dog, until I can call them back to me, ending whatever was starting. As Mara said, stepping in on them as soon as the bullying starts.

Bullying can get bigger quickly.

My large collie dog is a bully, very bossy. My little white dog would like to be a bully but he's too small and scared to be one. They had a serious fight a few months ago.

Now, we have no bones or toys outside. The big guy sleeps in the garage. I feed them in separate rooms. I do not play with them together or train them together as it can start a dust-up.

It is a bore to have dogs that fight, I am sorry that you are in that position too!

Milanka, Your dogs are beautiful and I too commend you for your willingness to keep an open mind and learn.

I am not an expert here and I hope those that are will correct and/or add to my comment. Two suggestions have been given that I think will be of great help to you and should not be overlooked.

1. Read the threads about desensitizing and begin a regular practice. It will take hours and hours and hours and when you finally see progress it's like a sudden miracle. (Connie can help you find them.)

2. Watch for posturing. What is that? Dogs body language is very subtle, but if you know what to look for I think you will see your two bullies doing it to each other. Watch for things like one putting its head or paw over the other, stiff body posture, a raised tail, ears forward, hackles up, fixed eyes, tight or twitching lip. When you see any of these intervene, do not allow their behavior to escalate, take control, and redirect the dogs. Some dogs growl, some attack silently.

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I do have a problem...both my dogs are BULLIES!

Sookie bullies Havanna, so Havanna bullies every dog she cans...unless like Kira-dominant, no patience type of dog- shows the no friendly attitude.

Im truing to read everything about bullies, but almost all the post but me in the position of "putting the bullie dog with a more bullie dog and let them get out by themselfs"...

Im still learning a lot of things about dogs and training and im trying to shake off bad experiences

GOOD for YOU, Milanka

You can get some Excellent Information right on this website by reading Ed Frawley's most helpful ARTICLE about Pack Structure Protocol -- I would also order his DVD on "Establishing Pack Structure for the Family Pet" ... Even inside your own home, if you have one dog that is very Bossy & Pushy toward your other dog (BULLYING) then you must oversee, Manage, and CONTROL their interactions with one another at all times (no more Unsupervised Free-Time Playing for now) IMHO.

I am NOT a professional trainer, so I'm hoping many others here will offer you some good advice -- But I would begin by tethering your Bully Dog to you whenever she's loose in the house ... That way you can Instantly Prevent any & all Bullying Behavior she might want to use against your other dog.

I would also feed & treat them separately (with no loose toys lying around either) and I would enforce a Separate Beds rule too -- I would reverse these dogs' pre-established natural order of Who Is Boss between them ... Feed the Bully Dog last, greet the Bully Dog last, pet the Bully Dog last, make the Bully Dog get in & out of your car and go through doors & entrances LAST.

These are just a few things you can do for Starters -- None of them will change your dogs' in-bred Temperaments though ... All of this is just about "who you LET do what to whom" (alone together, the Bully will STILL be the Bully, so you may possibly Never be able to let them hang out ALONE together anymore).

Is moving the other dog from the mat bulling?

They are feed togheter and never had any problems, should i still get them to eat separately? If so, can i do it on their kennels, even though they are close?

Sookie is NOT into toys, should i play with havanna alone or can i still play with sookie around?

Sookie kinds of walk stiff and slow (in a dominant way) around havanna but she never growls,she never bites, and never stareas at havanna. What actually confuses me is that She gives in her mat if havanna comes, same with toys if she actually goes for them. She is really soft and really summisive thats why when she goes all stiff and dominat confuse me.
Ill try and video the actual problems and put them on the vid section.