And ....

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

So now, quick questions to get us further along:

The old vet sounds like he thought spay incontinence. And the new vet did a culture and said no infection. Correct?

But the discharge was never cultured? Correct?


And again:

How old is she?
What breed?
Is she spayed?
Has a vet done lab work including kidney function tests on her?

Is she or has she ever been on any anti-seizure meds?

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

I see lots going on, and I totally get your confusion.

(By the way, discharge is not "AKA incontinence.")


So now, quick questions to get us further along:

The old vet sounds like he thought spay incontinence. And the new vet did a culture and said no infection. Correct?

But the discharge was never cultured? Correct?


And again:

How old is she?
What breed?
Is she spayed?
Has a vet done lab work including kidney function tests on her?

Has she ever been on any meds for urinary incontinence?

Likewise with the seizures. Is she or has she ever been on any anti-seizure meds?

Well, i tried to tell this new vet that discharge is not incontinence! She looked at the thick discharge that just recently occurred.. and blew it off as incontinence.. i'm thinking to myself "this dog has a constant flow of sticky thick yellow discharge.. how is this labeled incontinence?"

Thanks for understanding me. I'm sorry for being so upset, confused and ranting.

My OLD vet, the good one, never saw any discharge, as there was none at the time. He just couldn't pin point her urinary issues.
I went to a new when the discharge started. (my old vet, the good one, moved)The discharge started after i started feeding TOTW.

I went to new vet, got yet again another urine sample done.
She then said the discharge is incontinence. And she believes there's nothing wrong with my dog, shes just old...
The vet said if there are stones, lower protein would be best for her. And that she doesn't like high protein for old dogs anyways. (i heard form my LAST vet, the good one, that high protein is great for old healthy dogs.)
She then said "if its stones, nothing can be done anyways"
then she said, if you don't like incontinence, we can give her speed.
No other tests were done than a urine sample. Discharge was never cultured, examined and found to be what this new vet thought is "incontinence".
No seizure meds. A change in diet removed most of her seizures. She has extremely short ones, maybe 2 times a month now that shes off grains.
Shes a 13 year old weim. Spayed. Adopted.

How long ago was the spay done?

 Quote: Tammy Moore

How long ago was the spay done?

Ditto.


Also, I think I'm reading that the vet said she or he believed that she (the dog) had adult-onset vaginitis? And that the urinary incontinence is secondary to the vaginitis?

And there was never a cytologic exam of the discharge? And the discharge was thick and yellow (not clear) at that time?


Is all this correct so far?

hmmm... well, in not sure, didn't spay her myself. Shes adopted.
One day, years back, i went to ask her vet when she was spayed. And if the vet could tell me about her history before i got her.

He said he can't release any info, or find any info about her while she was owned by another person. (supposedly against the law)
So, no clue.
Before she was 5 is all i know.

"vaginitis"? whats that?

And yes, the discharge came one day, and hasn't let up from then. Its always been thick, yellow, and sticky, also very smelly. Horrid odor.

Is vaginitis related to incontinence and then discharge?
Could the new vet actually be correct?
Shes just straining to urinate, urinating oftenly, and having discharge because of incontinence?

So, diet wont change this? Protein levels wont matter?
And as for stones.. this whole issues has been going on for at least 4 months.. if she had stones or kidney issues to begin with, would she be terribly ill or dead by now?

Edited by Brianah Maloney (10/23/2013 07:40 PM)
Edit reason: spelt something wrong

When you say bad-smelling and yellow .... odorous thick yellow discharge .... this would be something that I would want a cytological exam on, and for me, it would be asap.

I understand that there's a lot going on, and yes, everything is relevant, but we're trying to help you sort out what the priorities are (and it's all opinion).

IMO, the top priority is to find out if she has an infection.... to examine that yellow foul-smelling discharge.

Horrid odor, to me, is "do this first" and don't worry about food changes or anything else until this is addressed.

I'll get you some links, but for me, a thick yellow odorous discharge is number one, and adding "straining to urinate, frequent urination," etc., may increase the urgency of getting this addressed, but it almost doesn't matter.

IMO, thick yellow stinky discharge needs immediate attention.

http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/vetmed/Medicine/Vaginitis-in-dogs-A-simple-approach-to-a-complex-c/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/557956



Also, parts of http://www.petplace.com/dogs/vaginal-discharge-in-dogs/page1.aspx

"Vaginal discharge is the appearance of liquid material (other than urine) from the labia of the vulva (the external female genitals). Vaginal discharge may be clear and watery (serous), bloody, thick and gray (mucousy), yellow/green (purulent), or dark green/black (after giving birth). The discharge may or may not have an odor. Licking at the vulva may also be noted."

"Urinary incontinence (inability to hold urine in the bladder) secondary to an abnormal location (ectopic) of the ureter, or a problem with the bladder sphincter (the muscle that acts like a valve at the opening of the bladder) may result in pooling of urine in the vagina and secondary irritation and discharge."

But when I see thick smelly yellow discharge, I want it examined for infection, or a good answer about why not.

Note "yellow/green (purulent)" .... "purulent" means that it involves pus.

Well, my vet that examined the "stuff" begs to differ... She says "incontinence" and nothing wrong with her urine sample...
Now what do i do?
Your making me scared...
Should i find another vet?

This vet saw that it was thick, yellow, and stinky?

I can't tell you what to do ... only what I would do. I would call back, ask for a vet call returned (not a receptionist), and ask if she observed that the dog had thick, yellow, foul-smelling discharge.

She may say yes, I agree, but ....

I'm not trying to make you scared. I'm saying that item by item that you posted, this would be my top item to cross off.

I would ask, directly, and get a direct answer.

I'm not a health professional.

I think others will post too. But that's my opinion.