Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 03:58 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385284 - 10/27/2013 03:58 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda I disagree on the leadership mentality, whatever that is. Curious. How does one disagree with a concept if you don't know what it is? Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:04 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385288 - 10/27/2013 04:04 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland For me, "I protect, provide for, and guide the pack. I'm fair. And I'm in charge. " "I disagree on the leadership mentality, whatever that is." How can anyone disagree when they don't know what they are disagreeing with? lol i should've added, the way i understand it. i disagree on this line "dogs know they're in the presence of a leader when they see one". this implies that there's more to it than discipline, rules, etc. that it's something that a person projects.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:05 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385289 - 10/27/2013 04:05 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins  Quote: Natalie Rynda I disagree on the leadership mentality, whatever that is. Curious. How does one disagree with a concept if you don't know what it is? i'm not always clear expressing my thoughts. i explained it above
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 04:10 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385291 - 10/27/2013 04:10 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	"dogs know they're in the presence of a leader when they see one". They do indeed. "this implies that there's more to it than discipline, rules, etc." There is. That's why learning from the experience of others is so valuable in this art. This is like learning to dance or paint. You can read all the theory you want. But if you want to understand how to do it yourself, you listen to somebody that already demonstrates success. And learn from their experience. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:13 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385292 - 10/27/2013 04:13 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	can you explain what the "leadership mentality" is? i still can't. Ed thinks that a person projects it. so what is it? i think i have an idea of what he means but if that's the case and it's a must for having a good dog then most people don't have the chance. most of use are not leaders, no matter how bad some want to think they are. Ed might be a leader, i don't know him so i can't say. so he might be right when he talks about himself in that way. you can't become a leader is what i mean. you either have it or you don't. it's a state of mind.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:15 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385294 - 10/27/2013 04:15 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins "dogs know they're in the presence of a leader when they see one". They do indeed. "this implies that there's more to it than discipline, rules, etc." There is. That's why learning from the experience of others is so valuable in this art. This is like learning to dance or paint. You can read all the theory you want. But if you want to understand how to do it yourself, you listen to somebody that already demonstrates success. And learn from their experience. you can't learn to become a leader. as i said, if this is a must to have a well behaved dog then most people don't have the chance
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 04:17 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385295 - 10/27/2013 04:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes, Ed is a leader. Yes, many people can be more of a pack leader than they are. "That's why learning from the experience of others is so valuable in this art. This is like learning to dance or paint. You can read all the theory you want. But if you want to understand how to do it yourself, you listen to somebody that already demonstrates success. And learn from their experience."
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 04:18 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385296 - 10/27/2013 04:18 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	"you can't become a leader is what i mean. you either have it or you don't." One need not be Churchill to have a well behaved dog. We are talking about leading a dog. No one is born knowing how to train a dog. It is a skill that is learned, if one wants to learn it. Most people don't. And that's why most dogs in this country are neurotic and ill behaved. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:21 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385297 - 10/27/2013 04:21 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Yes, Ed is a leader. Yes, many people can be more of a pack leader than they are. "That's why learning from the experience of others is so valuable in this art. This is like learning to dance or paint. You can read all the theory you want. But if you want to understand how to do it yourself, you listen to somebody that already demonstrates success. And learn from their experience." oh, so "you can learn to become a better PACK leader", not leader? anyway, if there's more to it than learning how to establish rules and boundaries, then how do you learn it? leaders are born (in most cases), you look at a group of kids and one is a leader. you can't learn to be a leader, it's something you're born with. something about you that makes people want to be around you, follow you. so if Ed is really talking about something you project and not something everyone can learn (establishing rules, etc) and if being a leader is a must then most people don't have the chance of having well behaved dogs.
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/27/2013 04:22 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385298 - 10/27/2013 04:22 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Not true, the military, medical schools, business schools, police depts, et all teach people who might not have previously been leaders, how to be leaders all the time. My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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