Michael Soldwisch Webboard User Reg: 02-21-2012
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Quote: Connie Sutherland
I'm going to be much more blunt; we can see that you are sincere in your questions.
The marker means ONE THING! It means "Correct! Reward is coming!"
Please ask us if you need a refresher on what markers mean, or are supposed to mean, to the dog, and how to demonstrate that (charge the marker).
OK. I watched many of the Ellis videos, and maybe I got something wrong here in the way how I do it?
I give a command. For example sit. I can give the command by saying it, or by signaling it. At the beginning of the training I use both verbal and signal at the same time. Since both commands have the same outcome (the dog sits) I assume the dog understands the hand signal as well as the verbal command.
Once the dog finished the command (in this examples he sits) I mark the behavior within 2 seconds or shorter.
The I throw the ball as reward anytime after the marker. Later, when the behavior is fluent, I reward randomly, meaning not every time?
Michael Soldwisch Webboard User Reg: 02-21-2012
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"Saying or signaling the command or both together"
Marking with yes, no or good"
Can you see the confusion in that?
No, I can't.
Signal and verbal together? Is that a problem? That's how my old school trainer trains, I just keep doing that, when I use marker training.
Then the markers, I hope I understood this right from what I heard in the Ellis videos.
Yes, for the dog did well and is released.
No, for not good.
And Good for, you do well, but keep doing it.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Ohhhhhhh.
"Marker" just about always means "terminal marker," in conversation, unless you qualify it somehow.
I thought what Bob thought.
Based on what you just posted, "yes" is your terminal marker (or "marker"). "No" is your negative marker. "Good" is your intermediate bridge (or "bridge").
Sorry for the confusion!
So can we get a short unedited clip of training, maybe both a new command and a known one?
If you plan on using visual and verbal commands then be sure that the verbal is first. Dogs are very visual and if the visual is done first then it can easily null and void the verbal.
My preference is to teach verbal first.
Once the verbal is solid then use the visual command right before the verbal. When you see the dog start to respond to the visual you can start fading the verbal.
You can then use either or.
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I took a video on my cellphone this morning.
I don't really like it, but I still post it here. Usually I don't film while I train, because I get distracted by the camera, my body language and concentration is off balance, and that confuses me more than the dog.
I still appreciate your advice. Don't hold back, I saw already a few mistakes I made here and there.
This is a new verbal command POLE. The dog is supposed to find and go to the next street light.
This first session is with 10 min. too long.
Let me know, what you think.
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