 Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394817 - 11/03/2014 02:05 PM |
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No, Peter, it is not the specific activity. It's the ability to judge what degree of risk you are exposing another individual to, and a loved one at that. If I took the family to a mountain resort and my 12 yo wanted to zipline across a gorge, I'd pbly okay it. Does that mean I'd strap the toddler's carrier to a zipline and let some yahoo push off?
I'm guessing, just a shot in the dark... not a parent, eh?
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394818 - 11/03/2014 02:05 PM |
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skin cancer is one of our biggest killers, every weekend millions of kids are on the beach, same thing just slower and less dramatic?
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394819 - 11/03/2014 02:16 PM |
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If you let a junior in your care get skin cancer because you downplay the risk of exposure, that's blood on your hands. If you teach your child the dangers and how to prevent it, then he does what he wants anyway, that's a different story.
Last winter, a man took his family into an isolated, treacherous area to joyride over the rugged terrain, in freezing weather. He wrecks the vehicle and they spend two nights in the wilderness in freezing temps . Luckily, they're rescued. IMHO, he's guilty of endangering the lives of his kids for making a bad choice, even though I'm sure they were having a blast. He's guilty, just as I was for endangering my child.
No kids, right?
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394820 - 11/03/2014 02:22 PM |
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I'm not going to get a straight answer on the kids, so I'll go ahead and make my point before I get the spin treatment...
The reaction that you see people having is largely due to the maternal/paternal instincts that come when you create life. Someone with paternal urges as strong as mine immediately thinks of the risk associated with any activity they let the little ones undertake. Many feel the same way about their dogs.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394821 - 11/03/2014 02:29 PM |
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No, Peter, it is not the specific activity. It's the ability to judge what degree of risk you are exposing another individual to, and a loved one at that. If I took the family to a mountain resort and my 12 yo wanted to zipline across a gorge, I'd pbly okay it. Does that mean I'd strap the toddler's carrier to a zipline and let some yahoo push off?
I'm guessing, just a shot in the dark... not a parent, eh?
Well, I'm not a parent, either, but I'm solidly in your camp, Duane.  I don't think being a parent is a requirement for recognizing inherently dangerous activities and being appalled at the thought of forcing someone, human or animal, to participate in it without their full understanding and consent.
Google any list of the most dangerous extreme sports, and BASE jumping is way up high on the list. I say "extreme sports," because just Googling "most dangerous sports" gets you a lot of lists with things like football and soccer, etc. Yes, those are dangerous, but again it's the consent issue and the putting another life in danger I have a problem with in the OP.
eta: While I was composing my post, Duane made two more posts with references to parenthood. I grant you I don't know what it is like to be a parent, since I am not one, but I hope it's clear that even people without kids can have empathy and concern for others and be horrified at the riskiness of some activities. 
Edited by Cheri Grissom (11/03/2014 02:29 PM)
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394822 - 11/03/2014 02:41 PM |
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"no kids, right?"
is that a real question, to who?
if me then - right, no kids.
if we are looking at numbers then no responsible parent would ever let their children on a public road or in a motor vehicle.
going to school is statistically becoming a high risk activity of late.
ETA I am no mountain climbing base jumper, way too chicken to do that, do I expose my dogs and myself to harm much just for kicks, hell yeah, have they been injured - just as much as I have, is there a plan B if all goes wrong, hell no.
do my dogs look like they are having fun, I think so.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394823 - 11/03/2014 02:47 PM |
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If you want to use numbers as an argument, consider percentages, not totals.
Five billion people drive each day. Several thousand getting killed is not significant enough to consider that overly risky. Extreme sporting, based on the number of accidents versus the total number of participants/repetitions is a much higher risk.
Do you really want me to believe that you don't have the perspective to make a realistic comparison?
No, Cheri, it is not only parents who are capable of maternal/paternal behavior. I was searching for a perspective that others could relate to. Many people, yourself and certain other responsible individuals aside, can relate to their instincts to protect and nurture their progeny, and that's what I equate to the emotions I felt when I saw the video. That is what I was trying to appeal to, and what I felt was lacking in Peter's idealogy.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394824 - 11/03/2014 02:53 PM |
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Duane my "ideology", which I am making up as I type is;
intelligence + experience + calculated risk + human spirit + love of nature and life trumps a few extra years on the planet wrapped in cotton wool.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394825 - 11/03/2014 03:02 PM |
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That's great, Peter. That is your life and your choice. What if you were doing something dangerous and made a mistake? You walk away unscathed, but one of your dogs gets killed. No remorse? No regrets? Ah well, dust in the wind?
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
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#394826 - 11/03/2014 03:05 PM |
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let me ask you this; Bob here as a mod presumably represents the values of the board.
how many dogs has he sent down how many holes in the ground to face how many critters that would prefer to be left alone but are forced to fight for their life at what risk to the dog?
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