my buddy tells me curitiba was created by rich people who wanted to get away from the crime of the " big " cities .

again , i hope your husband reads this thread . this is my reply to his approach : dogs are pack animals . packs need leaders . dogs will follow a leader who demonstrates fair , effective , worthwhile leadership .

a human can and should take this role otherwise the dogs will seek to fulfill that role themselves . this is what is happening at your home now , and the results are showing themselves every time slippie attacks another dog . you can expect this behaviour to increase with escalating violence as time goes on .

as the humans in this picture continue to abdicate their role as leader , slippie will continue to seek opportunities to demonstrate her leadership position .

Hi Cheri,

you are seeing these thing absolutely clearly. You must understand one thing: the reason, why I thought so much about genetic traits is that I understood Ed Frawly in this sense; that the different forms of aggression need to be treated differently. Especially in case it were genetic, I would probably not be able to treat this without a really good professional. But if it's not genetic I could probably following Eds DVDs - first a good groundwork ~ then I had perhaps the chance to do it myself, because once I am convinced of something, I'm doing it with consistency and I do not allow anyone to interfere in the least, except if I had a very experienced professional. Pitty that I cannot fly over Ed Frawley.

About getting out of the area, this sounds like the best ideas of all. I would like to. First my husband wouldn't agree and second and even immensely more important for me, I would have to abandon my animals. This is exactly the only thing I'd totally exclude. It would be horrible to give even one of the animals to someone else, but if I had no other choice, I'd do it. But leave them back alone in this country, no, no, no.
They would have to roam about without owner, without anyone who'd look after them. Even if I found someone, who took them - no!- I have seen to much of how careless animals are treated here.
It is true, that I do not like any more this country, not only because of the criminality, I could tell you at least 100 other reasons, but I will not write a book now.
I wanted to go back to Switzerland already after one year, when we had yet no dogs. But my husband was against it, he thought, we had only some problems because we were new.

To go back to Switzerland with the dogs would be impossible, we would not be able to keep them inside a house, because my husband has an allergie, and leave them outside in winter, this would be cruel to much.

So, I will stay here and try to make the best out of the situation.

Thanks Cheri for answering and thanks for your offer that I can inform you, if there will turn up more questions. Great to have learned to know you a bit.

Thanks so much

Christina

Hi Cheri,

you are seeing these thing absolutely clearly. You must understand one thing: the reason, why I thought so much about genetic traits is that I understood Ed Frawly in this sense; that the different forms of aggression need to be treated differently. Especially in case it were genetic, I would probably not be able to treat this without a really good professional. But if it' not geneteic I could probably following Eds DVDs - first a good groundwork ~ then I had perhaps the chance to do it myself, because once I am convinced of something, I'm doing it with consistency and I do not allow anyone to interfere in the least, except if I had a very experienced professional. Pitty that I cannot fly over Ed Frawley.

About getting out of the area, this sounds like the best idea of all. I would like to. But first my husband wouldn't agree and second and even immensely more important for me: I would have to abandon my animals. This is exactly the only thing I'd totally exclude. It would be horrible to give even one of the animals to someone else, but if I had no other choice, I'd do it. But leave them back alone in this country, no, no, no.
They would have to roam about without owner, without anyone who'd look after them. Even if I found someone, who took them - no!- I have seen to much of how carelessly animals are treated here.
It is true, that I do not like any more this country, not only because of the criminality, I could tell you at least 100 other reasons, but I will not write a book now.
I wanted to go back to Switzerland already after one year, when we had no dogs yet. But my husband was against it, he thought, we had only some problems because we were new here.

To go back to Switzerland with the dogs would be impossible, we would not be able to keep them inside a hous, because my husband has an allergie, and leave them outside in winter, would be cruel to much.

So, I will stay here and try to make the best out of it.

Thanks Cheri for answering and thanks for your offer that I can inform you, if there will turn up more questions. Great to have learned to know you a bit.

Thanks a whole lot

Christina

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...the results are showing themselves every time slippie attacks another dog -- you can expect this behaviour to increase with escalating violence as time goes on...

Christina, please understand that Ian is 100% correct above

This is a good idea, Nicole, but you must know, that he will never give in, as long as the security from dangers coming from outside is not given. The mason, who promised to correct the only weak part in the wall around our house, did not come yet, and instead of searching for another one, my husband prefers to rely on the dogs.

Thank you for your kindness

Christina

This is a good idea, Nicole, but you must know, that he will never give in, as long as the security from dangers coming from outside is not given. The mason, who promised to correct the only weak part in the wall around our house, did not come yet, and instead of searching for another one, my husband prefers to rely on the dogs.

Thank you for your kindness

Christina

Candi, I know that Ian is 100% correct. I also know it from the DVDs I have watched and articles I have read. But my hands are tied, as long as everone around here reinforces the conviction that it qould stupid and dangerous to keep the dogs on chains or in crates or whatsoever.

I do hope strongly, that one day he will change his mind, as long as I cannot assume the role of the pck leader fully, and this would only be possible beginning with crating, doing all the groundwork and so on.
Thank you for participating on this discussion. It is oh so valuable for me.

Christina

Cheri, Nicole. Sorry for the double delivery of the Emails.
I had recieved the message, that they could not be sent completely, because there was no internet connection. So I sent them again.

Christina

Hi Bob,

what you're saying is without doubt right and theoretically I know, what way to chose, but as long as I cannot do the groundwork described by Ed Frawley fully, I will never be able to solve the problem. The only thing left for the time being is to keep Slippie chained during the critical situations. I could keep her in the kennel. We built one in the very beginning, one for two dogs together. We thought it a good thing at the time, but know now, the each animal should have his own.

Nevertheless I could use it for Slippie, but the husbandproblem remains. He wants to have her loose because she is the most impressive animal of the 3.

Additionally we have/had a fourth dog, who had been attacked by Slippie too. I did not talk about him, because of the length and because this problem is somehow solved. He was/is a streetdog. I met him as an awfully bony creature. I took him home and about 6 months long everything went well.

But there was a strange thing: We often sat on the veranda all together as a peaceful family. But ther was something strange going on. Slippie frequently went to Charlie, the street dog, and licked his penis extensively. He obviously didn't have anything against this. Have you ever heard of something like this and do you know, what this signifies?

About six months everything went without any problem. I always used to pet each one sometimes. But one day, when I petted Charlie, Slippie attacked him in a blink of an eye. Since then, he cannot live in our yard any more, he is used to be a street dog, so he lives again on the street, but we feed him, go to the Vet etc. In the rainy season I put him in the kennel to let him have a good shelter.
That means the kennel is often occupied by him and I cannot confine Slippie together with him.

On walks he always accompanies me, even when I walk Slippie. She isn't interested in him, but his presence doesn't bother her. During the walks she has never tried to attack him.

Sorry for the long Email, if you haven't got the time to answer, then do not answer, I can understand this.

Thanks

Christina

You're not at all the "bad guy" Candi. You're expressing frankly of what you're convinced, and I know, that you're right in everything you mention. I've read the answers I've recieved very carefully and am considering every proposal, if in my case I could put it into action. I recieved from everyone the honest opinion, in fact with regard the problem the same opinion form each member. Different are the recomendations how they would tackle the problem. But don't worry, no one offended me in the least.
I would not send a question to the webboard if I didn't want to know what people can recommend something or critize or help to open my eyes etc.

Thanks

Christina