 Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#397132 - 03/02/2015 10:37 AM |
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Candi I agree with what your saying about all rescues have issues but reading Moose's article seems to say that the dog is going to be an issue over toys, food, etc.
This would take a VERY competent person to take this dog.
Even that, to me, is a liability on the part of the rescue organization.
Is their any efforts to control/eliminate this guarding behavior before the dog is put up for adoption?
AKA the article, I didn't read it that way.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Bob 
Doberman Rescue in Fillmore, CA has been saving previosuly unwanted Dobies and placing them in well-screened homes for decades -- They do not give dogs-with-issues to Clueless Newbies who "just want a big guarddog" OR a happy-go-lucky "pet for the kiddies" ... These folks are very good at evaluating the dogs and assessing the prospective owners; working carefully with the individual Dobermans and providing life-long Santuary Care for those ultimately deemed unsuitable for placement in a home environment (FYI, "Moose" has only been Ball-Possessive, but never Food-Aggressive, or otherwise snarky with any of their staff).
I am also active in Akita Rescue, another powerful & serious breed that has No Business in the hands of any inexperienced owners, even when quite properly bred, raised, trained, handled, and managed beforehand -- Responsible & reputable organizations that work full-time to save & place dogs with "attitudes & reputations" are very cautious in approving adoptions!
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#397146 - 03/02/2015 10:43 PM |
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Good to hear Candi. Thanks!
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#397149 - 03/03/2015 10:30 AM |
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Good to hear Candi. Thanks!
No prob, Bob Just couldn't see Giving the Needle to some poor dog whose only "issue" is being Ball-Possessive in a kennel environment, that's all, since I believe it's a fairly easy fix by one means or a combination thereof -- BTW, in the case of actual snarky behavior being displayed, they reserve placing the dog up for adoption pending a More Extensive evaluation process that can involve fostering in the home of a highly Canine-Savvy volunteer ... Doberman Rescue in Fillmore, CA is a great group of folks who are known to work miracles with many of these throw-away dogs they pull from pounds & shelters every week, even ones who come to them labeled "Steer Clear" (!!!) This is the reason I underwrite them on a monthly basis.
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
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#397155 - 03/03/2015 10:56 PM |
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I agree on it being an easy fix and I will admit to probably jumping the gun because of TV.
I watched more then one one of the tv programs that took in strays, etc. I believe it was in New York where MANY of the dogs were put down simply because they couldn't handle that stupid glove on a sleeve getting shoved in their face when they were eating.
The dogs were half starved, they didn't know the people doing this yet they were labeled "un-adoptable" because of aggression.
Unless the dog is unstable I think most anything is possible.
For that I can only offer my apologies for coming across a bit cold about the "unadoptable" dogs you work with.
For the same reasons I mentioned above I'm not a huge fan of rescue groups.
More should be like your's.
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#397158 - 03/04/2015 09:58 AM |
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I agree on it being an easy fix and I will admit to probably jumping the gun because of TV.
I watched more then one one of the tv programs that took in strays, etc. I believe it was in New York where MANY of the dogs were put down simply because they couldn't handle that stupid glove on a sleeve getting shoved in their face when they were eating.
The dogs were half starved, they didn't know the people doing this yet they were labeled "un-adoptable" because of aggression.
Unless the dog is unstable I think most anything is possible.
For that I can only offer my apologies for coming across a bit cold about the "unadoptable" dogs you work with.
For the same reasons I mentioned above I'm not a huge fan of rescue groups.
More should be like your's.
No apologies necessary at all, Bob, everyone's entitled to their own opinions I really appreciate the considerate discussion on this topic, and definitely agree with you about Very CAREFULLY Screening any rescue dogs AND the prospective new owners before outplacing them into adoptive homes -- Prior to my long tenure on the Leerburg boards & exposure to all the trainers here (both professional & amateur) and making a detailed / ongoing study of Ed Frawley's DVD on "Dealing With Dominant or Aggressive Dogs" I would have labeled a lot more canines 'unsuitable for life in a family home environment' than I do nowdays myself, so no-harm-no-foul, Buddy...
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
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#397165 - 03/05/2015 09:57 AM |
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
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#397167 - 03/05/2015 11:49 AM |
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Yeah, looks like the poor thing can hardly walk to begin with, and then adding insult to injury, his STUPID breeders have their kid riding on him 
P.S. Am I the only one who smells some Dogue de Bordeaux genes ???
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
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#397169 - 03/05/2015 05:55 PM |
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as has been my custom of late , I'm trying to see the good in people . perhaps dark dynasty has a legitimate reason beyond what I'm observing to create a dog weighing 175 pounds at 18 months of age .
but I'm sorry , I'm just not seeing it . I see that dog the same way I see morbidly obese folks , unable to perform the simple every day physical things that make a life more enjoyable , like say running or jumping .
just my observations , nothing more . . .
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Re: what is wrong with some breeders?
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#397188 - 03/06/2015 04:35 PM |
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as has been my custom of late , I'm trying to see the good in people . perhaps dark dynasty has a legitimate reason beyond what I'm observing to create a dog weighing 175 pounds at 18 months of age .
but I'm sorry , I'm just not seeing it . I see that dog the same way I see morbidly obese folks , unable to perform the simple every day physical things that make a life more enjoyable , like say running or jumping .
just my observations , nothing more . . .
I agree with you.
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