Nicole hardman wrote 09/04/2015 08:13 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399083 - 09/04/2015 08:13 AM
Nicole hardman Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2014 Posts: 107 Loc: Texas Offline	She was saying that there are unavoidable high end distractions on their daily walks that the dogs aren't ready dor, but the dogs still need their exercise. So she should work them into their collars slowly at levels they can handle. If she can't stop them from pulling constantly into their collars, their necks will be ruined for leash pressure work. I swear I saw Michael Ellis saying this, and have seen videos of Frawley putting his puppies in harnesses until he can work them into collars. Isn't that right? My doing this resulted in my dog understanding that collars mean no pull, harness means yes pull. Red dog.
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Nicole hardman wrote 09/04/2015 10:59 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399087 - 09/04/2015 10:59 AM
Nicole hardman Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2014 Posts: 107 Loc: Texas Offline	Also, sorry Christina, I'm not trying to waste your time. This was one area I genuinely thought I understood. Red dog.
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Bob Scott wrote 09/04/2015 10:42 PM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Nicole hardman ] #399091 - 09/04/2015 10:42 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I all boils down to a choice. Some trainers use it some don't. I grew up watching a little rat terrier drag an old lady down the street every day for a number of yrs. I can't say for sure that's the reason but it is definitely what got me thinking about them. Even in 6th or 7th grade I knew I could cure that dog from pulling. Of course my training method may have been a bit...firmer then today. I have never had a reason for NOT putting even young puppies on a collar and leash when outside a fenced area. I said sled dogs and bite work with a harness. I'll add sport tracking to that since that was my primary reason for using a harness. I would seriously love to hear others here on how they use a harness and why. No criticism just curiosity..honest! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Nicole hardman wrote 09/05/2015 04:56 PM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399105 - 09/05/2015 04:56 PM
Nicole hardman Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2014 Posts: 107 Loc: Texas Offline	I bought mine for tracking but have found many uses for it. He pulls me on rollerblades. We use it for hiking. It has a handle that my 7 year old grabs to help pull her uphill when she is tired. Also there are d rings for me to attach his collapsible water bowl, and I wear a 3 liter camelbak to fill it. When I walk to my daughter's school to pick her up everyday. I am very strict with him about his placement next to me in a collar, so I walk to the school with him attached to the collar then I will often but not always switch him to his harness so he can relax and sniff around while we wait for her to come out. Or sometimes I will attach his long line for some "off leash without being off leash" practice. That way he doesn't accidentally give himself collar corrections. I'm sure there are other things I haven't thought of. I love using a harness, but agree that it has a time and place. I make sure Aries gets plenty of practice walking properly in a collar. Red dog.
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Bob Scott wrote 09/05/2015 11:28 PM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399109 - 09/05/2015 11:28 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Thanks Nicole. That all makes sense, in particular that he still walks properly in a collar. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/06/2015 06:25 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Nicole hardman ] #399113 - 09/06/2015 06:25 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	No need for being sorry, Nicole, why should you?! I'm very interested about hearing different voices. Most people have a good reason for using one item or another or depending on the purpose - both. Other people are unsure about what or how or when to use something and here in the Webboard we have a great chance of exchange. You're obviously using the harness for purposes where it makes absolutely sense. I've never used it nor for tracking nor for pulling something. For this I'd not be experienced enough. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/06/2015 06:39 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Bob Scott ] #399114 - 09/06/2015 06:39 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Hi, Bob, I have no experience with harnesses except for training the restrained recall. In this situation the harnesss motivates the dogs wonderfully, but that is just what we don't want to create during a normal walk. For my personal purposes I prefer to learn to reduce the distractions as far as necessary depending on the individual dog. I'd love though to learn some tracking some day in the future. But I doubt if this would reasonable without a professional trainer. Or could I try it by following the advices of a good DVD or Video Course? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 09/06/2015 11:18 PM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399126 - 09/06/2015 11:18 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Christina, there is a lot of info and DVDs on the net about tracking with a dog. You have to decide if your looking for "real world" tracking as in looking for lost people or "sport" tracking such as in AKC or Schutzhund. There are similarities as well as differences but more differences IMHO. I have to agree with Christina about hearing different voices on any and all training issues. There is no such thing as a dumb question OR answer! That's what LB is about. There are to many training sites that turn into flame wars simply because two people disagree on something. TOTALLY DUMB! Listen to everyone. With time you will learns what's best for you and your dog. Weather they realize it or not even beginners can offer something useful and I don't plan to stop learning till I have 6ft of dirt in my eyes. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Candi Campbell wrote 09/08/2015 11:45 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Nicole hardman ] #399156 - 09/08/2015 11:45 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Nicole hardman I bought mine for tracking but have found many uses for it. He pulls me on rollerblades. We use it for hiking. It has a handle that my 7 year old grabs to help pull her uphill when she is tired. Also there are d rings for me to attach his collapsible water bowl, and I wear a 3 liter camelbak to fill it. When I walk to my daughter's school to pick her up everyday. I am very strict with him about his placement next to me in a collar, so I walk to the school with him attached to the collar then I will often but not always switch him to his harness so he can relax and sniff around while we wait for her to come out. Or sometimes I will attach his long line for some "off leash without being off leash" practice. That way he doesn't accidentally give himself collar corrections. I'm sure there are other things I haven't thought of. I love using a harness, but agree that it has a time and place. I make sure Aries gets plenty of practice walking properly in a collar. Yes, looks like you Use a Harness when you WANT the dog to PULL -- This is the whole point here: it's that a Harness Helps the Dog Pull ... Getting the dog NOT to PULL is better done with whichever Training Collar works best with the dog's drive & temperament, whether a Dominant Dog Collar or a Prong Collar or even just a Flat Buckle Collar
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/10/2015 06:35 AM Re: neighbour as inavoidable trigger [Re: Bob Scott ] #399182 - 09/10/2015 06:35 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Bob, 6ft of dirt over your eyes!!! What black humour! I'm 4 years older than you, so this would probably catch me earlier. But I have decided to live longer than my dogs and I will stick to it. (accidents excluded of course) Leaving them behind me would mean they'd have to live in the most awful misery. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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