Bob Scott wrote 06/26/2018 10:44 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #406431 - 06/26/2018 10:44 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Also ditto on Kelllly's post! I would add that when your working in the garden or where ever you must ALWAYS keep an eye on the dog. If they break the stay and you don't immediately see it then it can be a waste. Not staring at it but know when it breaks Even walking a few feet from where the dog broke the stay won't necessarily connect with the break. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 06/27/2018 05:49 AM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #406432 - 06/27/2018 05:49 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thank you all for your advices. Yes, I suppose I've started to go out of sight too early. I did this, because they remained on their place so well in different situations, on different beds and spots. This made me think, it was the right time to go out of isght a bit. A very helpful idea, I think, is to use it more in everyday life , like Kelly and Bob recommend, while I'm doing sthg in the garden . So it wll become over time a habit. Until now I only trained it in formal sessions. Then of course I can react with exact timing much easier. I also mark and reward always, Bob! R......ly!. I do practice NILIF. I think I expllained this partly wrong in my last post. Should have written : I don't think I don't practice NILIF with my dogs. ) Thanks also, Connie, for your link. Great article. I do practive NILIF as I said, But I've violated this rule thoughtlessly by petting. This they got free. I'll think on this from now on. It is also a good occasion to repeat exercises they know during the day. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 06/27/2018 10:38 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #406433 - 06/27/2018 10:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Excellent idea about training in every day situations and not just formal training. training in "formal sessions" is what SOME high level competitors do when they have dogs that spend most of thei time in Kennels when not training. I think most here at LB train for everyday life first. I've always said that I'd rather have a good truck dog then a high level competition dog. Even when I've had both in the same dog that "truck dog" always came first. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 06/28/2018 05:57 AM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #406434 - 06/28/2018 05:57 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Of course! With formal training I didn't mean to train for competitions, only little tricks and obedience exercises in sessions. But I did neglect to practice exercises between the sessions, except sit, down and stand, especially on walks. One last question (for the moment ) about NILIF. If they know and like a game, well e.g. fetch, hide and seek .., then this is also like a reward or not? Does this mean I should play such games also in the sense of NILIF, ask first for a few other behaviors and then give the game as a reward.? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Mike Arnold wrote 06/28/2018 06:05 AM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Bob Scott ] #406435 - 06/28/2018 06:05 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Yup, a good truck dog. And essential to my assessment of a good truck dog is its conditioning to stay in the truck or the bed of the truck until released. Which is essentially the same as a good down, stay when I want to talk to the neighbor, with the dog either close or apart from me, and in a condition of distraction. Training is all the time. Some time is more organized, and other times are more in the moment and even conversational. But it is all the time in one way or another. Yup, a good truck dog. Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Becky Niedbalka wrote 06/28/2018 07:34 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #406436 - 06/28/2018 07:34 PM
Becky Niedbalka Webboard User Reg: 04-13-2016 Posts: 662 Loc: Churchill,Manitoba Offline	How do you get a truck dog to shut up tho, Lol! Mine is better in the house and birding, but never shuts up in the vehicle. Gotta practice those downs I guess!
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Bob Scott wrote 06/28/2018 11:27 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Mike Arnold ] #406437 - 06/28/2018 11:27 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Mike Arnold Yup, a good truck dog. And essential to my assessment of a good truck dog is its conditioning to stay in the truck or the bed of the truck until released. Which is essentially the same as a good down, stay when I want to talk to the neighbor, with the dog either close or apart from me, and in a condition of distraction. Training is all the time. Some time is more organized, and other times are more in the moment and even conversational. But it is all the time in one way or another. Yup, a good truck dog. Absolutely! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Bob Scott wrote 06/28/2018 11:34 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Becky Niedbalka ] #406438 - 06/28/2018 11:34 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Becky Niedbalka How do you get a truck dog to shut up tho, Lol! Mine is better in the house and birding, but never shuts up in the vehicle. Gotta practice those downs I guess! Teaching a dog to be quiet is often just a matter of teaching it to speak. Hard to practice in the car but outside you can enforce the "quiet" with rewards such as treats. Just a second or two of quiet can be marked and rewarded. If the dog truly understands markers it shouldn't take long. Then just slowly add time to the command. When you think the dog really understands the commands then work on it sitting in your car in the drive way. Obviously add the time and distractions randomly once the dog really understands. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Bob Scott wrote 06/28/2018 11:38 PM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406439 - 06/28/2018 11:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Christina Stockinger Of course! With formal training I didn't mean to train for competitions, only little tricks and obedience exercises in sessions. But I did neglect to practice exercises between the sessions, except sit, down and stand, especially on walks. One last question (for the moment ) about NILIF. If they know and like a game, well e.g. fetch, hide and seek .., then this is also like a reward or not? Does this mean I should play such games also in the sense of NILIF, ask first for a few other behaviors and then give the game as a reward.? The reward can absolutely be a game of fetch if that's something the dog really enjoys. I love rewarding with a game of tug but the dogs I've done this with totally loved a game of tug. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 06/29/2018 06:10 AM Re: teenage dogs destroying things [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #406440 - 06/29/2018 06:10 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Game as reward: Bob, yes they do love those games, Alsp tuggong.. But only two of them.Charlie, as you know has genera\lly difficulties with understanding. And Slippie is a dog, who is not in the least interested in pickking things up. She loves Hide and Seek finding hidden food, but only for thjs reward. .She enjoys finding me, when I call from some hiding place. But then again she expects food. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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