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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36441 - 08/23/2004 03:03 PM |
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Ok you guys have me on the right track, here. We are doing step 1, we want it cleaner (I did changed the command to your suggestion) and after a week or two of this, I'll stop using the treat, until the next stage or after the release from the down. Right?
Let me work on this for a while and then I must ask how do you get him to recoginze that he is guarding something????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> The item designated?
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36442 - 08/23/2004 03:24 PM |
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I am lucky to watch and help building new KNPV puppy... so what we do now is after playing some tug with pup i let him have it (this dog is pretty much natural, he lays on it, object still in mouth with one leg on it). Then i go sloow with my hand acting as if i want to take object. MOMENT he starts growling or snaps towards the hand i must retreat. And that is it - later you must learn him that he must out and get back to object but first of all he must want to guard it. No threats, object and possesion of it are reward enough. This is 3mo old dog, and i guess imprinting will make great deal later, but training should go the same for older dog.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36443 - 08/23/2004 03:32 PM |
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Ups, before someone sends me to KNPV thread <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> just to say that we have been doing the same with my bitch that is in training for IPO (only she does not have that possesivnes) and i know people say it is ok for helper to let dog win the object and than try to take it away (fake it) even if you dont train object guard.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36444 - 08/24/2004 11:54 AM |
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Ivan most dogs with bite foundation will try to keep the tug from the decoy but how does this transfer to guarding an item that not the usuall prey item?
I can see the building block of bite work, but not the transfer of guarding any designated item or non prey item. Lets say that the foundation bite works ok, how/when do you transfer the attention to the designate item?
David spelled out how to bring the dog back to the object after protecting it. Weeks ahead of that what makes him want to stop the decoy from touching the purse or Bike. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36445 - 08/24/2004 12:12 PM |
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That should not be the problem (ofcourse if dog is interasted in bitting the 'bad' guy), you have helper for that...down the dog next to item and helper will provoke him into bite while acting as he wants to take the item. Dog should get it pretty quick (later you make him to target specific body part by offering shoulder with your arm behind your back). Hard part is teaching dog to let go and go back to item and not to start towards helper too soon.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36446 - 08/24/2004 01:36 PM |
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The dog you are using for this is a bite trained dog tha likes to bite. The dog doesnt have a genuine possesiveness for the object. The dog is trained that the object is where he is suppose to be and this is also the place where he gets to bite.The dog isnt biting because he is afraid that the decoy is going to take the object, the dog is biting because "thru training" the decoy has finally got close enough that he now has permission to bite him.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36447 - 08/24/2004 06:25 PM |
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I've heard it before "Its not Rocket Sceince" the old trainers say that a lot.
I was looking for the logical connection that dog makes between the location and when to protect a specific object. There is none the dog is simply doing what its been trained to do.
The "Guard it" command means to the dog go to the location I point at and don't let anyone touch or steal anything behind or close to you, if they approach you have my permission to bite them.
Thanks Doctor Ivan, Scott, Brandon and Professor David Morris for pointing that out.
We are not ready for this step yet but at least I know where I'm going and what it should look like.
The dog a simple creature but it sure looks like they know what we want them do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Hey guys thanks, I'm still trying to get my ducks in a row, I may need some help on your "KISS" theroy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36448 - 08/27/2004 11:59 AM |
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Ok we have made progress the send outs and the down looks pretty good, he is only going out the length of a back yard about 30 yrds and downing, I attach the long line.
And hand it to the helper behind a chain link fence. The long line with a bunjee cord attached, stop the dog from being jerked at the end of the line. I got a decoy approaching the object/dog.
If the decoy gets close enough the dog breaks the down and gets a bite. The decoy retreats the dog follows, We are waiting until the end of the 25' line to out him.
Question is this too far away from the object? I'm calling him back into position, with his name and pointing to the spot.
What am I missing? What am I doing wrong or what can I do better? I'm really just standing on the side line, issusing the out and reposition. Where should I be? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36449 - 08/27/2004 02:00 PM |
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So much of it is up to you. Your finished product is a direct result of yur training.If you want the dog to bite when some one gets close or when some one actually reaches for the object. I trained it for when someone reaches for the object. It was more reliable I thought to train. Because it was much more clear as to when the dog could bite. The thing in object guard is getting the dog not to bite when it shouldnt. So its pretty clear to the dog when the decoy actually tries to take the object.That way you can work on the decoy walking all around the object and the dog not biting, but when they reach for it they get bit.As far as how far out the decoy should take the dog is up to you. I trained it I think with a tracking line but didnt let the dog go all the way to the very end.Im sorry I dont know the actual rules to it.I guess I should know thenm before I start spouting out advice..
If you have a bungee on the dog , how are you able to correct?Are you not having to use any corrections for any of it??
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36450 - 08/27/2004 03:57 PM |
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Ofcourse there is an article about it at leerburg.com...:
knpv guard the article excercise
it is knpv, but just add sendout and adjust to your liking...important stuff is same.
Good luck!
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