**DONOTDELETE** wrote 08/15/2001 01:54 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37749 - 08/15/2001 01:54 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	What do you mean she was aggressive around anyone but the family? Was she being protective or was it active aggression? Was she a stable dog? How do you know she'd break away if pressure was applied since you didn't do that? Were you really able to tell whether she would be effective or not? Did you test what she was and wasn't capable of? Sounds like a thinking animal if she'll bite elsewhere when being struck. A thinking dog doesn't hang on and let itself be hit.
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Kadi Thingvall wrote 08/15/2001 01:56 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37750 - 08/15/2001 01:56 PM
Kadi Thingvall Webboard User Reg: 07-20-2001 Posts: 23 Loc: Offline
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**DONOTDELETE** wrote 08/15/2001 02:23 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37751 - 08/15/2001 02:23 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	Everyone knows a friends brother's girlfriends cousin's son who did such and such. Any names to go with these stories? Were these dogs purchased as pups or trained adults? Perhaps these are handler issues, applying prey techniques to a dog trained differently. After looking at their site, its obvious they do not advocate sport at all. Why would anyone interested in sport buy from them? I have some of these these dogs and have to admit to being impressed with them. But as Ed has already told me I'm "A GOD DAMN IDIOT," eh?
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**DONOTDELETE** wrote 08/15/2001 02:25 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37752 - 08/15/2001 02:25 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	Meant to say "I have SEEN some of these dogs."
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ken hungerford wrote 08/15/2001 02:29 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37753 - 08/15/2001 02:29 PM
ken hungerford Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 50 Loc: Tallahassee, FL Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Catherine Amodeo: What do you mean she was aggressive around anyone but the family? Was she being protective or was it active aggression? Was she a stable dog? How do you know she'd break away if pressure was applied since you didn't do that? Were you really able to tell whether she would be effective or not? Did you test what she was and wasn't capable of? Sounds like a thinking animal if she'll bite elsewhere when being struck. A thinking dog doesn't hang on and let itself be hit. Catherine, Although it's probably pointless to do so, I'll play your little game and answer you this one time. The dog belongs to an extremely good friend with whom I speak several times per week, so, yes, I know the dog's characteristics. Also, I'm a certified trial decoy, train dogs professionally, have owned dogs since I was three, and trained my first GSD when I was twelve. My guess is that I can read a dog hanging off my arm better than you can over cyberspace. Lastly, "aggressive to everyone but the family" means that, for example, if you were outside with that particular family visiting, the dog would bite your ass for no apparent reason, other than you being you. Of course, in your case, other dogs with good judgement may well do the same.
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ken hungerford wrote 08/15/2001 03:05 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37754 - 08/15/2001 03:05 PM
ken hungerford Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 50 Loc: Tallahassee, FL Offline	Originally posted by Bill Kurz-: Everyone knows a friends brother's girlfriends cousin's son who did such and such. Any names to go with these stories? Bill, You, of all people, want names. The last I heard, you wouldn't even give the list your training background and the number of dogs that you've trained. If you have done so, forgive me.
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**DONOTDELETE** wrote 08/15/2001 03:15 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37755 - 08/15/2001 03:15 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	Ken, This is no game to me and is not about me reading a dog over cyberspace. I was interested in your assessment of the dog. Thank you for giving it to me. There are a thousand more questions I'd like to ask about the dog but I won't even though there is so much missing information here. What makes you think I'd want a dog that would bite someone for no reason? Thats quite a stretch there. Interesting conclusion.
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**DONOTDELETE** wrote 08/15/2001 03:16 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37756 - 08/15/2001 03:16 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	Ken - I am not making claims for other people, nor bashing anyone in what I say. If you care to provide stories in which you bash someone else, I think you should provide names of those who say it. I do not feel the need to provide my background. I present my thoughts, which I base on what I have seen and done. You can train for 20 years and still learn something new everyday. Don't worry so much about it.
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ken hungerford wrote 08/15/2001 03:48 PM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37757 - 08/15/2001 03:48 PM
ken hungerford Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 50 Loc: Tallahassee, FL Offline	Originally posted by Bill Kurz-: Ken - I am not making claims for other people, nor bashing anyone in what I say. If you care to provide stories in which you bash someone else, I think you should provide names of those who say it. Bill, I'm the one doing the bashing, if that's what you want to call it, so why do I need to give anyone else's name? Also, I think it's very important for newcomers to the list to understand the background of those who give advice here. So, yes, I am concerned about everyone's training background. Catherine, Good luck in the dog world!
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Renee Felknor wrote 08/16/2001 10:08 AM Re: dog trainers course [Re: James Maturana ] #37758 - 08/16/2001 10:08 AM
Renee Felknor Webboard User Reg: 07-21-2001 Posts: 264 Loc: WI Offline	To those of you who get off by sending semi-threatening private messages--take some Prozac and chill. Or find another BB which will be more appreciative of your training philosophy. And don't bother to reply in private, please--I put you on my "ignore list."
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