My 2 cents on peta:

I believe the most inhumane thing ever done to the animals of this world was formation of PETA. I belive Peta's soul purpose is destroy all tame animals, and to taint the wild population with *mixes*.
I always find how funny these big Peta supports are. Take Bill Marh for example. He is a hudge supporter of Peta. He also is the biggest phony I've ever seen. He walks around in his leather belt and shoes. Hell his wallet is probably leather. His luxury cars all have leather seats. So I guess this means that using animals for work is bad, but exploiting them for personal luxury is ok.

Where's the spray paint cans? If they can do it to fur coats and the such - why can't we do it back to peta hypocrites?

Whenever I get junk mail from anyone, it usually comes with a no stamp needed envelope inside. What I do is stuff everything that came in that envelope and send it back to them. I got that little trick from the Tightwad Gazette.
Oh, Eric, you forgot David Gallagher from Seventh Heaven. He supports them too, but he was on an interview/behind the scenes type show and he was wearing a leather coat. Contrary to what has been believed and posted, I do NOT support them, but I do believe that some of the common everyday people are misguided and think they are doing a good thing to save the animals. Every organization I have seen uses big name stars to promote them.
PETA also is in collusion with the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) which is an even bigger terrorist group, who is responsible for terrorist bombings and things of that nature. There is a book called "The Hijacking Of The Humane Movement" by Patty Strand that tells the story behind these organizations.

Interesting point...
But I think we'll see that with most big Peta supports. I believe they all have an 'only when convient' support for the group.

I didn't know about the 'ALF'. Bombings? Dear God!!!!

Also, I don't know if there is any truth to this, but in Florida if you step on a sea turtle shell you can get 5 tot 10 in jail, but if a mother where to dump her babe into a dumpster and leave it, she would something from probation to like 2 years.

If this is true, then these organizations have gone WAY overboard. I can understand supporting decent treament of animals, but putting animals about a human life...That's just sick

I understand about animal laws occasionally being more severe than human laws but who's fault is that? So pet people can get together and get a strict law passed once in a great while ---- take the same steps the animal people take to get laws passed. Abandoning babies should have higher penalties, though I understand there are now laws in progress for New York, etc that will allow dropping an infant off at a "safe-haven" as an alternative to dumpsters, etc.

Many people are against that but how many our out there seriously taking a stand against it? All talk but no action...

I just had to jump in. PETA is terrible. Just rescue pets directly, don't donate to anything anymore! A neighbor of mine had her Belgian well trained, but started getting a PETA magazine. She took away her dog's choker and went to a harness. She started making ridiculous statements to me about all sorts of subjects like horse training, etc. Her statements were totally wrong. PETA published an article saying that bits cut into a horse's mouth. I got tired of trying to educate this woman and arguing with her. Meanwhile, her Belgian's training went to hell. The dog lunged, pulling this owner everywhere and it jumped on me. Since the owner was unable to trim her claws, it really hurt and scratched me! I terminated this friendship. Meanwhile, my dog is well behaved, because I use my choker. But I get dirty looks when we go in the PetSmart. Yet, the same idiots who think the choker is cruel, are glad my 110 pound dog is not jumping on them or straining toward them! My dog and I get admired and complimented on good behavior, but when I have to correct and proof in public it is embarrassing. Go figure! The so-called humane movement has made a terrible, terrible mess of things!

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Originally posted by Ed Frawley:
I just watched a TV show on the discovery channel about dog aggression and dog fights. The dog fight section made me sick. It featured this ass hole in Houston named William Akridge who was arrested for fighting pit bulls.

Pet should focus there energy on supporting the Human Society of America (who aggressively try and bring this idiot dog fighters to justice) and less energy on the goofy issues they chase after.

Mr. Frawley,
With all due respect Ed, this breed is under enough duress without the likes of PETA getting in on the witch hunt. While your friends, (the Humaniac Society of America)insist on their one sided campaign to wipe out an entire breed, we responsible owners come under attack constantly with a barrage of new by-laws supposedly aimed at dog fighting, but instead, leave the real issues in the dust and do nothing more than fuel the press to create more public fear, and kill a lot of supposed unadoptable dogs.
In light of this I would have thought you could have put more thought into the way of bringing in the topic....
I was rubbed the wrong way right off the bat with your intro use of "aggression" & "dog fighting" in the same sentence, I guess I'm a little touchy with regard to this,(as many rescued fighting dogs are thought to be man aggressive and are consequently killed)because (as you are probably aware) one has nothing to do with the other.
Otherwise Ed, I enjoy your site and consider it very informative.
Respectfully
Steinlin

Regarding PETA... I absolutely agree with the importance of treating animals ethically and respectfully. I also recognize the importance of civil disobedience as a potent tool in a democracy. And I do agree with many of PETA's stated aims... respect for animals, disallowing unnecessary experimentation and/or testing of cosmetic ingredients, etc.

The problem with PETA is not the fundamental wish to respect animals, nor the use of civil disobedience. It is with the profound failure to accurately discern abusive situations, to prioritize, and to act in a manner which truly recognizes the nature of the animal in question.

Fundamentally, PETA identifies animals as IDENTICAL to humans... an idea which neither serves the best interest of animals nor humans.

Recently, Ed Frawley shepherded me through a situation wherein a woman, who is an active PETA member, told me that she had German bloodline, purebred German Shepherd puppies available. She rigorously interviewed many, many people in placing her puppies (she's a psychology professor, I might add.)I was one of the lucky, chosen few- likely due to the fact that I have five children, live in the country and am a vegetarian. (She is in the process of opening an "alternative" petting zoo, and intends to teach children about the proper care of animals.)

Our puppy was a whopper of a girl, which delighted me until I noted that she was growing very long hair which was white-tipped. Through further investigation, I learned that her sire was very long-haired, silver and black, and named... Timber. Meanwhile, I was unable to get the promised paper and pedigree from the owner, who began avoiding my calls.

After several email conversations with Ed, and a follow up call to the local vet, we returned the puppy. At first, the woman insisted that she had "seen" the papers; when confronted with the vet's statement that her "dog" was a hybrid-wolf, she claimed to have advised me of the status from the beginning. (Just a wee bit
of confused logic.)

In the end, it didn't bother her in the least that she had knowingly deceived many families in placing hybrid-wolves with children... instead, she was FURIOUS with me, for traumatizing the puppy in returning her after 4 weeks. She acknowledged no personal resposibility, and found me utterly lacking. Meanwhile, she has Timber, and three of his offspring, and plans to open a petting zoo of sorts next spring, with her "dogs" roaming freely on the "farm."

It's all very disturbing, isn't it?

I talked with a long time Sea World employee about the status of Peta. He said the hard thing to get the general population to understand is that they are a business, not a grass roots movement. They will say the want one thing but once they have it they will ask for more. For a good laugh see how big a business they are-


Peta

Scott T

Everyone should visit the peta.org site (People Eating Tasty Animals, someone grabbed the domain name before the loonies could).

Actually, PETA members aren't just lunatics, they are hypocrits. They'll throw paint on some old lady wearing a fur coat, but I've NEVER seen them at a biker rally - let's see them throw paint on my leathers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

The simple fact is - every PETA supporter is, by their very existance, using up valuable resources that could be used by another animal for its survival. If PETA really wants to help animals, then they would encourage each of their supporters to commit suicide, thus freeing up those resourses <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />