It only stands to reaosn that once the game is established, at some point you have to move on to other prey items. The game is what stays the same.Thats how I see it and do it.

David wrote ...
Don, When the pup is young Im thinking more about the fact that the pup is biting different items as opposed to just the same old thing.

Leg bites
As far as getting the dog started on the leg bite I will use a long tug with straps on both ends. When the dog bites it I will lower one end and slip the toe of my boot through it and move me leg around so the dog gets use to having its head in this position while on the bite. After doing some of that I will start with the tug in that position and it doesnt take long that the dog will turn its head for the bite on it. After that its just a matter of going to a leg sleeve or bite pants.

R. Geel having the puppy retreive the item from a swallow pond that a tough little sucker, hey. And bitting all type items is a good idea. A Steel Pipe? Thats something new I've never seen. Of course I live in a fish bowl considering the world wide training that some people on this board attend.

These sounds like different/new/innovative techniques, I'll may give them a try. thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Brandon French Ring from what I've heard and seen they don't put a lot of stock in full or deep bites, but as mentioned it never hurt to build a solid grip while on the bite.

This one of the primary differences in the two discpline one teaches how to bite and anywhere the other teaches how to bite just so and the fullness of the bite matters. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />