Understanding your point about asthetics being purposeless,that's true, to a degree. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that is all the beholder cares about, the purpose is established. My point was this, and I should have made it more clear; why do proponents of ASDs always try to compare their animals and the animals' acomplishments with those of the working lines / high lines GSDs? Why do AKC style breeders always talk about the German seigers or BSPs in the pedigree when, in fact, that particular ancestor is so far back in the pedigree, genotypically speaking, it has all the influence of Ape DNA? I have had an AKC "Judge" during the course of a CGC test (O.K. we all have our weaker moments) refer to Schutzhund as "the silly game". Initially, of course, this aggravated the second of my two feelings, anger. ( just for the record, the other is hunger) This woman did NOTHING to encourage the participation in AKC events or furthering its philosophy. Absolute ignorance. As it seems, her opion was reflexive of the AKC majority; bash what you do not understand and more importantly, cast disparities upon that which you can not do.

Originally posted by az trooper:
why do proponents of ASDs always try to compare their animals and the animals' acomplishments with those of the working lines / high lines GSDs? Why do AKC style breeders always talk about the German seigers or BSPs in the pedigree when, in fact, that particular ancestor is so far back in the pedigree, genotypically speaking, it has all the influence of Ape DNA? Wishful thinking???

But seriously, I get your point, and I totally agree. I've noticed from reading many posts on the other BB's (which more closely resemble chat rooms, IMO) that many of the members really know very little about their dogs...i.e. ancestry, working or show?...and therefore do not know what to expect from their dogs, or the different types and temperaments between the show and working, American or Euro. And most of the knowledgeable people on those boards are American and German show line breeders who are mentoring the less knowledgeable.

And this one time at band camp...
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That was for all of you have seen American Pie. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Oh my Lauren...you REALLY should find a HOBBY

Tim I also find it VERY RUDE to publically bash someones dog, maybe you should join Lauren in finding a worthwhile hobby <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I don't think anyone is bashing anyone's dog. Man o' man is the world a bit sensitive. I think the original point was to point out some of the foolishness that takes place on other web-boards. Anyway, this whole thread has taken a silly twist. When threads start turning into "Well you need to get a life" and "no....YOU need to get a life" and so on and so on, It's time to send an SOS out to Ed or Vince to step in and maybe close this baby down. What do you say guys? Next it will be "well my dog can kick your dog's ass" Oh yeah...."well my dad can........oh never mind!LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Sable_Lvr - if you had the balls to say your own name I think people might actually pay attention to your posts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree with Lauren 100% about what she said pertaining to being mislead by idiots that are BB d____ wads. I think if people want to make an effort to let Joe Public know the real deal, then do it. I wish someone would have done that for me. Many people, myself included have been ripped off. I don't mind if one tells someone straight what their puppy will become. BUT when someone claims a dog will be something it won't then expect people to react. Because of people like this, most laugh or blow off GSDs as being good protection dogs. It's people like the ASD they're referring to.

For the idiots like SABLE_LVR, don't expect people to get a tad bit stirred when you tell them 2+2=5. In my opinion that's what your basically doing.

The statistics on performance are obvious on which one performs better. It's a fact. Anyone can see by looking at the Doberman Pincher how this happened, because of people like SABLE_LVR. If you don't want a dog with a certain amount of work drive that it needs, then get a Pekinese! Please just get any dog that's a common pet, and leave working breeds a lone.

AND for any ASD or show dog that does good work . . . fine! There's always exceptions, but the word exception I think speaks for itself. I know when I say things it's in general terms. I'm sure a Dalmatian could do protection work . . . maybe 1 out of a 50 million or out of 20 year period. LOL

Chuck - I do not think that is really the case here. I have 4 rescued GSDs, so I am not into comparing "my dog" v. "your dog" stuff, but I do care when sorry ass people who are bybs or puppymillers breed them and come up with lame reasons for doing so.

And Tim - since I am now banned from that board for ridiculous crap, I had to laugh the most at a post from Curmudgeon - the ball-less husband of a moderator there - he is obsessed with copyright, and actually threatened to sue me for posting what he posted on a public board, using quotes so it was clearly NOT my words, on another board. He even gave me a 72 hour threat to delete my posts and post an apology. I almost peed my pants laughing. After 72 hours I asked for an update, the ball-less troll had no response. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Their moderator Wetdog advocates pupymilling, and OFA as being unneccessary, so you really can't expect too much from them. Some members, and even a few moderators, are smart and ethical people who I respect and admire, the admin and most others, sadly, are not. It ain't called byb.com for nothing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />