Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
who is Lance Collins to decide to impose his personal opinion on this event? ummm just taking a stab at this but...

THE JUDGE OF THAT EVENT!!

If it's his interpretation that the dog should turn it's head and look in the blind, then ok, the dogs that trial under him need to actually turn and look in the blind rather than just fly by it at warp speed expecting to be recalled right away and sent to the next blind.

This is why I don't like that people have turned this into a huge, major competitive sport, all they do is complain about minor things. Points, points, points, points, points. The world is just going to end over those 2 points! Gimme a break.

Actually 5 points, so you're right out of the V category over a head check. Stupid. And you know how you train that little head check - hang a ball inside the blind. So how the heck does this translate to being a truer or tougher test of the character or working ability of the dog? It doesn't. Might as well say that on the sendout, the dog (if he were TRULY obedient) should lay down facing the direction he runs. This is a sport, and it is all about points. And there's a rulebook to decide how those points are awarded or deducted. It would be nice if the judges would stick to it.

Look at it this way if a dog were to have run every blind in normal fashion, and another dog just run the 1st blind and went straigt to #6 blind, both dogs would have recieved the same zero. There is big a difference between the two preformances, yet both would yield the same score.

Originally posted by Orv Story:
Look at it this way if a dog were to have run every blind in normal fashion, and another dog just run the 1st blind and went straigt to #6 blind, both dogs would have recieved the same zero. There is big a difference between the two preformances, yet both would yield the same score. Ok, well to use something my dad used to tell me, to equate to your example...

You're given a job in which you will be paid upon completion of the job. If you do it halfass and another person doesn't do the job at all, did job every really get done? Do either of you get paid?

Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
Actually 5 points, so you're right out of the V category over a head check. Stupid. And you know how you train that little head check - hang a ball inside the blind. See, this is what I'm talking about, so worried about the V, so worried about this, so worried about that. It's one trial, under one judge. And the head check can be trained other ways (which would have the dog looking for the threat) too, not just a ball on a string (you should know that, being a TD and all).

Might as well say that on the sendout, the dog (if he were TRULY obedient) should lay down facing the direction he runs. Hmmmm, guess that means I'm doing something right (or would that be wrong, in your eyes) with my dogs. Platz means platz, don't care if you're running, which way you're facing when the command is given, if the wind is blowing in your face, if someone just threw you your favorite ball or toy, Platz is Platz, do it right then without delay!

This is a sport, and it is all about points. And there's a rulebook to decide how those points are awarded or deducted. It would be nice if the judges would stick to it. No, actually it's a breed suitability test. But enough people have decided (human nature of course) that just having a dog that can do the exercises well isn't enough, we have to see who the best trainer is (cause everyone knows, some of the upper level people could have a flat, boring dog and still beat out the majority of the competitors), rather than see if the dog is sound and breedworthy.

It's a sport not a breed test, otherwise why allow mutts to enter?

It stopped being a breed suitability test a long time ago - right around the time when "bites" became "grips", and sticks got padded, and grips had to be perfectly full and absolutely still, etc etc. It's just a sport, a game.

Just my 2 cent

Constance judging is a fair argument in any sports weather its boxing or SchH. Just listening to the comment I would think in a National trail the call for strict jugdement should be based on prior training results that got them to this level which should be as close to the rules as possible. There should no changes or personal interepetation to the rules during a National rated event.

If for several events leading to the Nationals the search were done with the dog just running by the blinds then it should be no change at a National trail, just because some judge wants to be noticed. As long as the helper was not by passed. This is a sport and it takes time and money to get this level, its unfair to change the rules, without prior notice and time to adapt.

This would be same as if a Boxing Champion lost his title just for 1 flash knocked down (the fighter down but no hurt) the rule is after 3 knock downs a fight maybe stopped, the merit of a true Champion/fighter is how he fights after being knocked down. How many Championship fights do you think this referee would work again, Zero. Thats what should happen in SchH.

Using Orv example, The two performance are so different that the same score would be unfair. The normal blind run should score higher then a broken rountine. Fair is fair, a low blow is different from a clean knock down. One counts as a penalty, the other a 8 count, and 10-8 rd.

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Originally posted by Orv Story:
It's a sport not a breed test, otherwise why allow mutts to enter?

Kind of hard for an association to keep putting on trials if they don't have enough money, correct? So by allowing "mutts" to enter, they get revenue from a larger group base. Makes since huh? Yet you don't see "mutts" getting KKL'd or a show rating do you?

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Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
It stopped being a breed suitability test a long time ago - right around the time when "bites" became "grips", and sticks got padded, and grips had to be perfectly full and absolutely still, etc etc. It's just a sport, a game.

Hmmm I guess maybe you should call the SV up and tell them that no one needs anything to breed GSDs period, because SchH is just a sport and "stopped being a breed suitability test a long time ago". I'm sure they'll take your advice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />