Thats how I train is with the Flinks method. I love using drive. In fact I am going to Germany to train with him the beginning of April.

The problem is the control. I have not encountered the handler aggressiveness. I have been told about it. Just not experienced it. I believe for the 'average' sport dog enthusiast there are better choices. Someone who loves a challenge they are perfect.

Gotta go for now teaching class.

My club has several Czech dogs, 12 started from pups that I can think of. In part we all got interested in the Czech working lines because of health issues. 3 handlers with West German dogs, had hip or elbow problems. They changed lines hoping to find a dog that would hold up better. I guess we all liked what we saw, & started picking up a pup here or there. The TD really likes these animals, & to be honest I can't really remember anyone having any big problems with their dogs in terms of sharpness., hander aggression, control, etc. One bitch could be a little stronger, but of the 12, 4 have gone on to SchH3, 6 to BH (SchH1's this year we hope) I believe the TD's lines are Lipin, & Pohranicni Straze.

The biggest thing my TD has, & preaches is patience. I think this has a lot to do when working these dogs.

Gretta Welsh

I must respond to the CJ pup question! I have a female, 11 months old, CJ pup and she is amazing! I started her out using Flinks' method and it works great. She has the most extreme prey drive I've ever seen, great bone, intelligent- I could go on and on. She is a hard dog and VERY active. Interesting trait from her dad is resistance to pain and great desire to keep on working. She was attacked by a pit bull two weeks ago; two hours in surgery and 36 hours later I couldn't keep her down! Bounding up the stairs and ready to go. She's going to be ok, by the way. I would get another CJ pup in a heart beat. I love my Leerburg dog even more...but K.C. is getting close!

Ah yes, a Czech thred. I own three Czech dogs, most of their blood going back to the PS lines. There is so much crap spoken by people who know nothing about Czech dogs. These dogs ( The good examples ) have extreme drive but with a few differences than West German lines. The Czech dogs seem to have high prey drive yet are not as equipment orrientated as the WG dogs are. It is easier to get their attention back onto the man.
We also have found them to have more civil aggression than the WG lines. They are generally sharper as well. Hips are pretty much the same as WG lines.
I am interested in Kevin's dog CJ as his father is Eron Mat-Roz. Eron is a SUPER dog that last year at the age of 10 years came 5th at the Czech 500b nationals. The 500 trials are sooooo much harder than schutzhund it aint funny. Eron is one of the greats. And there is no Police dogs in his pedigree.
The Czech dogs are another gene pool for working dogs and it is by far better than the DDR. I prefer them to WG for the reasons I have stated.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/kampk9/index.htm

While almost all the comments on CJ here have been very positive out of fairness to Kevin please give the name of the female before making comments on CJ's litters.

I have seen 2 CJ litters. The first was bred by John Sainz and (correct me if I'm wrong Ed, I'm going by what John said) Ed. A Leerburg bitch. This litter was incredible....the drive at 8 weeks was off the wall prey, these were gorgeous, dark puppies.
The second litter I saw we grabbed one from. (Todd's litter) again, mom is a Leerburg bitch. He is 14 months old. Hips and elbows look good, general health is great. Grips are great. Incredible prey drive.
I have also had 2 Gero z Blatenskeho zamku pups, a bitch and a male. The bitch had non-genetic heart issues and is in a pet home. The male just turned 12 months. This boy is almost 100% Czech lines and STILL has incredible prey drive. (Also from Todd, what can I say he bred nice bitches to 2 of my favorite Czech studs!)

Thanks Michelle. I am going to get a big head.

Vince, The litter I was referring to was a Leerburg bitch out of Eichendorfschule lines. This was a litter I was extremely pleased with. Very uniform in attitude. Prey drive like cats. Play drive through the roof.

Since this is turning into a CJ thread I'll chime in. I have a CJ pup from the litter that Todd mentioned above.

As far as prey drive there is only one word for it - Dangerous

This was the first younger dog I started obedience the Flinks way with and because I sucked I got bit a lot. Which Ed fully prepared me for in the video. But working him taught me how to be very quick. He is also very calculating.

For those with CJ pups with Otis in them Kevin had an excellent post on here on how to train these dogs in the beginning. I'll try and find it. I thought my pup just sucked at targeting. If he missed the tug or toy he kept on going in till there was something to bite usually me. Until I read Kevin's post then it started to make more sense and took the appropriate steps. Which helped a lot. Very pleased with him.

Sorry Todd hopefully you still can walk through doors with such a big head. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

But remember Czech lines have no prey!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

OK, I'll reply!
Cindy's 11 month old bitch is a TREMENDOUS animal. I will be sure that Ed videos her when he is here in a couple weeks.
So is her full sister (though not a litter mate).
CJ has produced extremely well. Though a CZ dog on the top and bottom he is actually linebred on a dog named Ennov. Berglein. For those not familiar with this line among those that came along these same lines are dogs like Ilko Peko haus, Johnny Rheinhalle, Mutz Peltzeirfarm.
This is on the bottom of his pedigree.
On the top are dogs that produced much of what became famous out of the Pohranicni Straze kennel.
I can honestly say that it looks like CJ will have three dogs from one litter (out of a breeding to a female from Otis Jocabiner Schloss and Ed's kennel) working as PSD's. Such numbers are rare in any breed or breeding and the dogs are only 14 months old.
I also have a total four females working in my schutzhund club all will do sport some will do it spectacularly.
Now, i realize that this sounds like I'm tooting my stud dog's horn, which I am, but i am quite happy to show you the results of limited breedings to CJ. I have been in working dogs for 20 years and i doubt I will ever own a producer like this again.