My experience with Czech dogs: High prey, LOTS of DEFENSE, love to fight, very HARD. Will not back down.

The tendancey is with the young dogs, they show defense and suspicion very early. So people tend to make a mistake and push them before they are mature enough. This can add to a little sharpness(oops didn't mean to bring that word up).

Like and line though, the Czech lines are going through a fad, and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find good ones, at a reasonable price.

Originally posted by Todd E. Gaster:


The tendancey is with the young dogs, they show defense and suspicion very early. So people tend to make a mistake and push them before they are mature enough.

So true Todd.
Many of us can think about the difficulty of finding or training a helper who understand defense building can wait and will come if nurtured as the dog matures. I cannot stomach those who want to get “ANY” reaction to a dog so they defense pressure the puppy.

Anyone (@d^&t) can scare a puppy into a reaction. It makes a impressive statement to new people to see there ‘pride and joy’ looking strong. (if he isn’t running for the hills)

I cannot subscribe to working a dog in defense before he matures enough to handle the whole spectrum of defense drive training. I say build the confidence in prey drive young. Get him slamming the sleeve with a full calm bite and gradually increase helper pressure when he matures even if he seems he can handle the pressure. Exposure of helper work will prepare the young dog for more ‘impressive’ work later. If he has the tools to do the work he has the tools to do the work so wait and eliminate potential helper mistakes is best.

I want my dogs to think every helper as a giant rabbit in the field. I little scary…but still food. I can't get there as easy if he is made nervy by some guy looking to make an impression over my dog's particular needs.

ok new here on the board ! hello every one I have a 3 year old imported form cezch female was sent over bred and with a title svv1,I am the 3 rd owner of her, ( I didnt get her bred or by her she was given to me she had to much drive for the lady, I have owned her for 8 month now and have had to get her out of the dump, she had no confidents, now she is up and heeling on and off and what a retreiver! but real shy in the public just for a few moments until she gets the surounding checked out, we finally had her tested to see if she really had a SVV1, we put her on line, man behind the blind, then object sent out for the prey drive, and she seem to be confused, no reaction just backed down, then all the sudden he cracked the whip at his side, and boom all the training came out barking rampetly. holding her own, and even came high on the sleave and held tight,I was impressed! but we were told shes a week link and she was on defense instead of prey drive, and is not a stable dog, I however seem to disagree do to the fact she came out for me, with some trainng and encoragement.She seemed to confused ,she didnt even get a chance to visit just tied and tested. I respect the man hes very good and is very qualified for the police department, and knows what the heck hes doing , but he dosne't know my dog, I knows he knows more than me I'm knew at this sport and love it,could it be I'm blind to my love for the dog? could it be possible to train the defense out of her at 3? she is in high gear at home and at the park on prey drive, and can walks for hours with a ball in her mouth ready to work 24 /7, , she will protect any are she is palced at. shes is not a fear biter at all! thanks for any help! or sugestions J

Todd, how fast or slow do these dogs usually mature? Mine is 2 1/2 yrs old and seems very sure of himself. You're right about the high prey and defence drives ,mines got those.

As far as the SVV1 titled bitch. The title means nothing. She could very well have it. However, it could have been on her home field with her home helper. From what I have seen alot of the training is very heavy handed and focuses more on defense then prey. There is a slight chance the prey is there, you just have to dig to find it. Also, your helper may be very knowledgeable, however, how many Czech dogs has he seen? Also, how many good Czech dogs has he seen?

Cala came over to me with an IPO 1. She was bred to Gero z Blatenskeho zamku at the time. I was not very happy with her drives after the whelping. She didn't seem to sure of herself. However, now it is a different story.(This was 2 years ago). She will not back down. It is rare to see her without a kong in her mouth. She is a very solid bitch. Big also, I might add. Bigger than I like, but very solid. So I guess in answer to your question, I would spend time playing with her. Not working on protection. Just playing. Track her. Throw the ball. Just fun playtime. Do this all over the place. After about 6 weeks of nothing but tracking, fun obedience and play, then put her on the field and see what she does.

Slow Maturation:

The lines I have experience remind me of Rotties in the development. Dar is will be 4 in April. He is just like a puppy. Rocky is 6 he is still just like a pup. However, the problem is the defense shows up very quickly and will fool a novice trainer. I had a pup out of CJ/Danu when he was 4 months old, was a real defensive SOB. He nailed a vet tech at 16 weeks. He is now under control and working the streets in NM. His name is Andre. If he would have been pushed when he was so young, it could have been a problem.

Thanks for the reply!!!! this is encouraging,the helper is very qualified,very,very however I do think he has a problem with the cezch lines he made a coment on how and what he has seen come from there, as what you said, he has the sable breeding just for working, & malinos? I cant spell that,well any way thats good advice should I corect the aggressive behavior in the car and the protection of the house? I mean this dog will come through the driver seat to attack any one near the car!we are socilizing with people whom come here at the house,we simply ask the people to have a ball ready to through when we let her out and then shes fine, other wise she would take them when they come in the house.

she had a litter of pups 8 weeks old all females most of them have great prey drive! no Im not a breeder we bred to get to keep her. were done with that one after we sell this pups. thaks again J

Todd, the prices you pay for a good Czech dog depends on who you buy your dogs from. If you buy them from the well known dog brokers in Czech and the US then you will pay far more than you should. For instance we bought a well known stud dog who was a Czech national competetor and one tough boy. He was for sale by the big brokers in Czech for $6000 US. We got him through our contacts in Czech for $3000 US. They were marking up the dog by 100% what they were paying the owner for him. We also bought a ZVV3, IPO3, SchH3 male of high quality, multiple National competitor for $5000 US. We were also offered another ZVV3, IPO3, SchH3, 500b mutiple National competetor for $5000 US. These are quality dogs with some of the best Czech bloodlines.
There is a solid black titled bitch for sale by the brokers at the moment. We turned her down for 800 Euro (800 US).
Like I said, depends who you know and deal with.

With everything, it is who you know. I have had the same experience. There was a dog, who was offered from one broker at $3500. This same dog, was from another I am not kidding...$12500.

I would be interested in the SchH3, IPO3, ZVV3 if you want to forward that info, private message.

Thanks

Cezch Translation?????
How do I translate this pedigree to english so I can learn something about my Cezch dog, and whom can I ask for information on this pedigree??

Grandsire of sire to this dog :
B-BOB Z kostolian Cesty SKSP 60518/90 Velm dobry SVV2,IPO2,SZP1.

Grandma to this sire dog:
od A-CLIKA od Krasneho potoka CKSP 62831/86/90 Velmi doby SVV2.

Grand sire to this dam dog: LORD V Angerbachtal SZ 1676854 "a" SCH3 ZB:V.

Grandma to this dam dog : A- BONA Z Cheznovickych Iunhu CKSP 51517/89 vyborna SVV1.

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Hanna Leena is the Czech pedigree expert around here. I am sure she will be along soon enough to help you.