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hmmm, Wismz's comment makes me wonder if he was the caller that Lou was talking about. I certainly don't feel any dumber for listening to Lou's thoughts. If anything, I got out of Lou's post was that it was his observation that alot of BH handlers think their dogs are "just different" and can't for some reason or another come up with the reason why they think so. I personally didn't see anything wrong with Lou's post. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#58336 - 08/08/2002 09:49 PM |
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While I have no intrest in cheerleading, I think that Lou's post was right on the money.
I have been to a few places in the South, and I was talking with a Dept. of Corrections Officer in Tenn. They worked the BH's for tracking, and he told me that while the myth says they are better, it just ain't so. I have never found a BH handler or trainer that could explain to me in logic why they are better trackers. Just because they say so? I don't know?
I have watched many TV programs with stories about BH tracking suspects after two days and then tracking them in a car.......get real.
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#58337 - 08/08/2002 10:05 PM |
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Wismz, I have to hope that you were just kidding, right??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Lou, I found your post very interesting, informative and amusing as well. Thank you for sharing that info w/us!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#58338 - 08/08/2002 10:42 PM |
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I'm not sure where I heard it but I heard that the folds of a skin on a bloodhounds face allow it to "collect airborne scents" ... I don't know anything about this but I thought I'd throw it out there for feedback. It doesn't seem logical to me but it was something I heard once.
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I heard that too. I have also heard that the longer the nose, the better the scenting ability as someone else suggested. I do beleive that to be true too because my dal has a shorter nose than my GSD. He has tons of drive to search for human scent, alive or dead, but he can not for the life of him find anything buried underground in normal dirt that is 6 inches or more below the surface. He finds above ground wonderfully. My GSD can.
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#58340 - 08/09/2002 12:48 AM |
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Lou
I think your dead nuts on.
If the longer the nose, the better the senting ability, why aren't Borzoi and other "sight hounds" in tracking. Collies,etc.
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Another post that slipped by.
Wizmo, the link you posted didn't say anywhere that the only dogs who's trailing evidence can be admitted are BHs. Where did you get that link from, there isn't a home page connect to find out where it came from?
Evidence from detection, discrimination, and tracks/trails by GSDs and Mal K9s, are used all over the country? What gives??
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OK, just found the site. It is http://www.bloodhoundtraining.com They are a business. . .a bloodhound business. You need to be careful about where your information comes from.
NOTHING ON THAT SITE STATES THAT BLOODHOUNDS ARE THE ONLY DOGS WHERE EVIDENCE CAN BE ADMITTED IN COURT.
Here is a direct quote from THAT SITE about evidence.
"The Federal and many State Appellate Courts permit K-9 tracking or Bloodhound testimony as evidence."
Where does it say that only bloodhound evidence is admitted in court? What about all the man tracks that are done with GSD K9s every day? That isn't evidence? How about physical evidence found at crime scenes by GSDs, or others?
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#58343 - 08/12/2002 08:24 AM |
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Having tracked with Labs (combat tracker) and GSD's and bloodhounds, I've never really seen any difference in the abilities of the dogs. When a department has a problem with trackers, drug dogs, or any other type of service dog, relative to admissable evidence, it is usually a lack of documented training and utilization. Having been a witness in court many times on the use of the dog (prosecution only of course) I've faced many "dog experts". Once the documentation is laid out on fromt of them, they leave without accomplishing anything. I've said before, dog training in not smoke and mirrors. A department that does not document thier training, successes and failures, only set themselves up for challenges in court. Being in the south, I do admit to a bit of traditionalism when it comes to the use of bloodhounds, and they can track, but to make a claim that they are the only dog that is validated in court is nonsense.
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Here's a theory. See what ya'll think about this one. The quality of a tracking dog has less to do with his ability to smell than his desire to hunt. That "hunt drive" is a purely genetic trait. Aunt Gladys' poodle Fifi can smell a man as well as a GSD, she just doesn't have the hunt drive to follow him for 4 or 5 miles.
I have very limited experience tracking with GSDs. I have years of experience hunting, especially coon hunting with hounds. I do know that some dogs can work a cold trail better than others. Since there is no evidence to show that they can smell the scent any better than any other dog I would guess it's because they have more hunt drive, more "sticktoitiveness".
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