dustin holby wrote 01/12/2005 12:55 AM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70297 - 01/12/2005 12:55 AM
dustin holby Webboard User Reg: 01-03-2005 Posts: 37 Loc: Offline	my pups first time of lead it was in the fall there where a lot of leafs on the ground and when the wind would pick them up she would start her pursuit that was the first sign of prey i picked up on and encouraged little things like that sometimes are never seen. she also will prey on any type of bug that flies she will hunt and prey till she gets it imo this is a sign of"high prey drive"
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travis pettit wrote 01/12/2005 01:18 AM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70298 - 01/12/2005 01:18 AM
travis pettit Webboard User Reg: 12-18-2004 Posts: 179 Loc: Offline	anyone else have examples of what they look for in terms of prey drive when they were trying to purchase a puppy? thanks for the replies.
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Bob Scott wrote 01/12/2005 01:35 AM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70299 - 01/12/2005 01:35 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Travis, one thing I did when selecting my pup was to separate them and test one at a time. That's pretty basic info, but the average person seems to just point and say I "like that one". or "This one came up to me, must be the best one". With the litter, the competition can bring out prey drive that may not be there otherwise. By themselves, you can see lots more of what the individual dog has. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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travis pettit wrote 01/12/2005 03:30 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70300 - 01/12/2005 03:30 PM
travis pettit Webboard User Reg: 12-18-2004 Posts: 179 Loc: Offline	thank old earth, one more annoying question that is probably hard to answer without seeing the dog... at what age did you start implementing the methods for drive building in "training drive, focus, and grip" with your pup/dog, and what did you use as the prey item. i ask because he will bite and carry the pocket tug (rarely drops it) but i dont know if i need to be doing INTO MY ARMS yet or not, i know not to teach the OUT until he wont trade for food or alternate prey item which will be a WHILE probably.thanks guys.
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Bob Scott wrote 01/12/2005 04:46 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70301 - 01/12/2005 04:46 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I started with my pup the day after I got him at 6wks old. Ed's tape on "Bite Training For Puppies" covers what you need to know. The Flinks tape, IMHO, is geared more towards 6 months +. I have both and they are loaded with great info. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Cindy Heath wrote 01/12/2005 05:27 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70302 - 01/12/2005 05:27 PM
Cindy Heath Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2001 Posts: 103 Loc: Offline	I have to weigh in...I have a Bastin son- Alex vom haus de Saulnier. Dam is Dolly vom Kassler Kreuz who is 3-3 on Mink. He is 22 months old and an awesome dog. One of the most intelligent dogs I've ever had, great prey/play drive, fight drive coming out well, natural tracker. Easy to train, but very active. I'm waiting for his A-stamp results to come back (fingers crossed). One hip not as good as I'd like. Maybe Kevin would comment on what he sees in Alex as he's worked in several times. I would put him at #2-best dogs in my life; and there have been a lot! http://www.ravenridgedogs.com
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travis pettit wrote 01/12/2005 06:14 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70303 - 01/12/2005 06:14 PM
travis pettit Webboard User Reg: 12-18-2004 Posts: 179 Loc: Offline	good to here something good about bastin progeny for once. old earth, i also have bite training for puppies and 8 weeks to eight months, i understand the six months estimation especially with the focusing...thanks for the feedback.
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dustin holby wrote 01/12/2005 09:05 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70304 - 01/12/2005 09:05 PM
dustin holby Webboard User Reg: 01-03-2005 Posts: 37 Loc: Offline	my bastin female is the best dog i have ever worked with huge drives lots prey and a fight drive that i have never seen on a female (more like a male police dog) bastin does throw a lot of himself into his pups is it possible there are bad examples of his prog. of course you can also factor bad training into the mix and you may come across bad representation of his prog. but i feel this is with any dog at the top bastin has so many offspring you are gonna come across good,great,average,poor pups from his lines which is true to any dog my female is large and substantial like bastin not a sleeve dog like bastin i have heard most of his prog. are very natrual calm trackers my dog as well so i do belive him to throw great pups and diffenitly a stud who betters the bred and the lines he is bred too
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John Hohman wrote 01/13/2005 11:15 AM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70305 - 01/13/2005 11:15 AM
John Hohman Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2004 Posts: 328 Loc: Offline	We should keep in mind that everyone has their own interpretation of what a great dog is. For one owner, it may be a high level competition dog. For another it may a household companion. I would tend to hypothesize that people buying puppies out of Bastin are not buying them to be pets. I would assume that there are some aspirations of competing in Schutzhund. MY definition of a successful progeny is when you see the offspring go on to accomplish what the parent(s) achieved in regards to high level competition. It might not be someone else's measuring stick for whether or not a dog or it's progeny is good, but it's mine. JMO Ohno Von Kaykohl Land & Troll Vom Kraftwerk.
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travis pettit wrote 01/13/2005 04:25 PM Re: bastin pups [Re: dustin holby ] #70306 - 01/13/2005 04:25 PM
travis pettit Webboard User Reg: 12-18-2004 Posts: 179 Loc: Offline	i agree with you john, im sure that its obvious that bastin's progeny that we are discussing are being expected to be used for schutzhund/IPO/Herding because the section this thread is placed under is "developing a stud dog" and we are refering to the GSD particularly which is measured by it working ability, however i believe that the dogs used for competition level schutzhund would be as close or closer companions as viewed by their handler. I do also think that very few of the people buying bastin progeny would expect to compete in the BSP and win, it would be unfair to expect a dog like bastin to throw progeny as good or better than himself unless bred to a equally good or better bitch with an equally good or better handler. we all know that most of the time a dog that is a "ten" will not likely produce a "ten". its seems obvious to me that a "ten" dog is produced by two dogs that are themselves only "8 or 9's).JMO
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