 Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Stacie Glaze Moore ]
#76374 - 06/14/2005 06:13 PM |
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Stacie, I live about 6 hours south of you and travel to DC once a month for business and grew up in Baltimore, so I know the climate.
The sudden onset of heat this year has been more difficult than a gradual onset as dogs have not had time to acclimatize and a number of dogs have collapsed and died from it.
Scent work is hard on a dog's cooling system. A high drive dog will not let that stop them.
We train in the summer all summer but use some common sense.
MORNING is by far the most humane time to do it. When the sun goes high scenting conditions are not as good regardless.
It is typically in the 70s in the morning; I know the city does not cool down as much at night but the woods do. There is supposed to be a bit of a break this weekend.
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Nancy Jocoy ]
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Nancy.
It's good to find someone who knows the hell I'm in! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The weather has been nuts this year. It was in the low 70's one week and the next was in the 90's. My system is still in shock and I've been hiding in my house, only to emerge in the darkness. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I nearly passed out at the gym on Monday!
You're so right about a high drive dog not letting you know that the heat's bothering them. My femal, Roxy, who's 15 months old, is laying around the house like she's dying. I pull out her prong collar to take her for a walk and she looks at me like "you've GOT to be kidding me." (She's German showlines and medium-low drive.) Ripley, other then taking his naps on the AC vents, is acting like his usual, puppy-monster self.
Are you suggesting that I need to get my lazy ass out of bed earlier then 8am? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Tammy Dempsey ]
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Julie Wilson ]
#173600 - 01/07/2008 07:32 AM |
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Wouldn't it be better to just CHOOSE ONE instead of trying to train the dog to do 2 disciplines so very similar yet opposing guidelines?
You can do both as a lot of the technique overlaps, but it really depends on what is the goal for the dog in the end.
From what I've seen training your dog for a TD/TDX in the beginning won't mess up SAR training. TD/TDX tracking would give a strong foundation for continuation of the game. But doing SAR training first would mess up TD/TDX. Reason with the TD/TDX the judges are looking for something in the scope of the rules. SAR is more open to reading your dog, so whatever works to get the job done you encourage the dog to do it.
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Geoff Empey ]
#173610 - 01/07/2008 09:11 AM |
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If you do not already belong to a SAR team or if you belong and are thinking about doing any kind of sport work involving bitework, I would make sure that this is acceptable to your team.
A lot of SAR organizations will not accept a dog that has been trained in bitework.
I know, a dog trained to bite is probably less likely to bite than a dog that is not trained to bite, however, liability for the organization is great if any dog gets a bite.
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[Re: robert sayre jr ]
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Angela Burrell ]
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HAHAHAH....you are correct....I thought it was a new one, did not even look at the date or how many pages......late night I guess....... 
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#173632 - 01/07/2008 10:45 AM |
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LOL, circle comes around doesnt change much, does it?
I have seen some people try to make their SAR dog into an "everything" dog though - agility, therapy, SAR, etc etc etc -If someone has the time and money to do these other things, why not just get different dogs for different activities?
I can't think of anybody that says tracking before trailing hurts a dog though.
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Nancy Jocoy ]
#173673 - 01/07/2008 02:44 PM |
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I have seen some people try to make their SAR dog into an "everything" dog though - agility, therapy, SAR, etc etc etc -If someone has the time and money to do these other things, why not just get different dogs for different activities?
Thanks. That's the problem...I know someone who wants their dog to do EVERYTHING, but she keeps tossing things out the window, like she can't make up her mind. Example: spent a year on airscent (sort of) but mostly worked on agility. Then switched to SAR trailing for a few months. Now says they want to TDX their dog and do agility before they go back to SAR. Quite frankly I think it confuses the dog (at least this poor fellow).
If you're going to multi-discipline shouldn't you have a clear action plan? I asked her how she'd go from AKC to SAR and she doesn't know - so I think it may further confuse the dog.
Based on your comments it doesn't sound like a problem per se, as long as she makes up her mind...?
So I can share: HOW have people made the TDX to SAR switch? I like this lady and don't want to see her fail. Is it pretty easy to teach the dog it's ok to not do FST and hunt for collected scent then?
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Re: Kind of a SAR vs. SchH question
[Re: Julie Wilson ]
#173681 - 01/07/2008 03:26 PM |
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Let her fail and don't waste any time on it or worry about it - she can still be a friend. Training time should be spent on people/dogs who will become a real asset.
I think it is ok to work with an unsuitable dog for awhile (let them make their mistakes on that one) but if she is so all over the place she probably is not cut out to do search and rescue.
Is she on a team? Does she have some kind of a training plan and training objectives? She needs to be focused.
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