Well it looks like a tough call. Personally, I think his older pics look more Shepherdish than the pup pics. If he is not all shepherd, then he is pretty close to all shepherd.

I say "who cares." Personally, he is still a good looking dog. If he has a good temperment then it really shouldn't matter.

What's with the aggression and killing a pet comment? Does he have temp. problems? I wouldn't worry about AKC papers either - they have helped bring about the demise of most breeds.

Denise
I have to agree that he is not a thing of beauty and if you are'nt happy with him to find him a new home. I lost my unpapered GSD in a tragic accident at the age of 13 mos, & he definetly was not the perfect specimen as far as build. I wanted a dog for personal protection & he was pretty good, had plenty of prey drive but he had his limitations as he was becoming sharper as he matured. I am now getting a pup that was bred for working & I'm sure will be a better dog. Point of all this make damn sure you get what you want because 10 or more years is a long time to be stuck with a dog that is not what you want.

Yes Nick, I did by him for competition.
About the back, he's only 8 mos old, is it possible that the front is not done growing yet. Also consider that since he's not conformation, I really never pose him like this.

As far as temperment, he bites, bites and growls. I thought it was just the puppy crazies, but he bites and growls when I correct him. I'm not a softy by no means. He attacked and killed one of my smaller pets at 12wks old. I really have never seen anything like it before.

Anyhow, I thought I did my homework, but obviously not. That's why I'm taking MUCH more time selecting my next puppy (and I'm not buying anything that needs to be shipped).

Jenn,

Are you always going to try to stick it to me in every response?

Do me a favor, don't respond to any of my post.

Read the post again lady, and understand I feel cheated by the breeder, not by the doog.

At any rate,

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Excuse me, does he bite?

Ann,
he killed one of my smaller pets at 12 wks old. His temperment is a little off. He responds well to training, they tell me I've got a good dog on my hands. At home, however, he is hard to correct, withstands the strongest correction witht he pinch collar, and won't hesitate to bite me if I reach for the leash to correct him.
When I start putting that together with the ears and all, I can easily make a mountain out of a molehill.

About the face picture, that's a good idea. I will hold his ears up and take a pict, then everyone can look at it.

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I'm late here - but here's my .02 cents - I believe he is definately purebred - no doubt in my mind from seeing the pictures. He just has weak ears that I doubt will ever stand completely. Keeping in mind that "purebred" does not equal "well bred".

molly

I'm sorry if you feel I only try to 'stick it to you' with my responses to your posts. That was not my goal.

My goal was for you to love the pup you have, rather than only come up with all his short falls both temperment and lookwise. Since I didn't see any comments on a positive note on your pup, I was trying to have you maybe accept him for how he is, not how he isn't.

I'm sorry if I misread your posts and comments about the joy he's brought to your life, despite the soft ears. At least you must be encouraged that most of us do think he's purebred, so that's something you wanted.

No you did not get ripped off. You got a purebred GSD.

Okay, first off these are just my opinions and views, I am no pro and have limited exp in this matter, but I will offer my opinions to maybe help you best I can.

First off, if he is as aggressive as you say he is and will bite you, other people and kill animals, I would "blue juice" him. By that I mean I would have him put down or I would kill him my self. I LOVE dogs, I really do. But I love my daughter, wife, my self more. I do not want to end up in court for a dog biting, or have my daughter taken from me over a dog. My love only goes so far, to me they are still only animals and I have partaked in the sport of hunting since I was a little boy and would look at that dog no differnt. Plus, the world is full of bad dogs, I beat we all know of one, some of us my know of many. Bad dogs are like cancer, they spread like a plage. If you had cancer in your leg you would cut it off to get ride of the cancer, thats how I look at bad dogs.

Now as far as a look or training goes, if you are happy with the dog, who cares what other people think. Back when I lived in Chicago I trained and worked for a short period of time with a guy named Mel, he owned Mr.K-9. I saw mutts work better then prue breads in OB and protection. I saw tons of Rotts, GSDs and doberman pinchers that looked pretty, but were trash. No, Im not saying get or keep a mutt, but on a fluke I have seen them make awesome dogs.

As far as protection training goes if your not going to use it, why do it. IMHO, protection training a dog is NOT for the novice, it can make a dog aggressive and unstable, it is a tricky thin line and most people cant do right. Back at Mr.K-9 there was a dog named Easy, he was a AM Pitt-bull. Best dog I have ever seen, he was a show winner and hard hitter, I would put him up agenst any other dog I have ever seen. But, when he bit it was not out of anger, it was just another comand to him, to him it was like sit, or stay. He did it because he was well trained, alot of peoples dogs bite out of anger and thats wrong. Thats bad training. You could walk up to this dog and pull his ears, lay on him, pull his tail, ruff house with him and he would lick you in the face, he would sleep in your bed and sit with you on the sofa, but when time came I saw this dog knock grown my backwords. Thats good training, there was no killing of animals or biting of the owner. Befor a dog is protection trained he should be 100% OB trained, then protection to him is just like OB. But, if your not going to go to show your dog, if your not a cop, why protection train? Thats why they sell guns, I would never put my life in the hands of a dog, no dog never.

In cloesing, if your happy with your dog, keep him. If he is as bad as you say he is kill him, dont sell your problems to another family who could get hurt or have one of there animals killed or a young person killed. But, if you protection train him be carefull, OB train first so protection is just like OB to him.

Like I said Im no pro and these are just "my" views and opions.

Thanks for reading.
Dave.

David wrote: "First off, if he is as aggressive as you say he is and will bite you, other people and kill animals, I would "blue juice" him. By that I mean I would have him put down or I would kill him my self."


You've got to be -F-ing kidding me? Don't do that, Denise. This breed of ours can produce some dogs that can hurt people or other animals. Training is required, not giving the dog the Final Solution. That's what you signed up for when you got a German Shepherd Dog.


David Wrote: "As far as protection training goes if your not going to use it, why do it. IMHO, protection training a dog is NOT for the novice, it can make a dog aggressive and unstable, it is a tricky thin line and most people cant do right. Back at Mr.K-9 there was a dog named Easy, he was a AM Pitt-bull. Best dog I have ever seen, he was a show winner and hard hitter, I would put him up agenst any other dog I have ever seen. But, when he bit it was not out of anger, it was just another comand to him, to him it was like sit, or stay. He did it because he was well trained, alot of peoples dogs bite out of anger and thats wrong. Thats bad training. You could walk up to this dog and pull his ears, lay on him, pull his tail, ruff house with him and he would lick you in the face, he would sleep in your bed and sit with you on the sofa, but when time came I saw this dog knock grown my backwords. Thats good training, there was no killing of animals or biting of the owner. Before a dog is protection trained he should be 100% OB trained, then protection to him is just like OB. But, if your not going to go to show your dog, if your not a cop, why protection train? Thats why they sell guns, I would never put my life in the hands of a dog, no dog never."


Just about every word in this paragraph I strongly disagree with. If using real aggression is "bad training" then I'm a helluva bad trainer. . .and so are a lot of the other people training for dogsports, police K9, and personal protection. Being able to do stupid stuff to your dog is not a sign of good temperament.







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Get the dog's ears cropped and stop your whining. He'll look cool and you'll feel better about all the hard work you have ahead of you in training. It appears you've made a poor decision in your purchase, but now you're stuck with it unless you have a contract that guarantees the dog's ears to stand or guarantees the dog have an AKC pedigree.

Dog looks like a GSD, BTW.