Angelique Cadogan wrote 10/24/2006 11:55 AM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #115830 - 10/24/2006 11:55 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	Alica and Connie thank you so much for understanding.Connie I feed a lot like you, but I have a 3year old GSD with allergies and so I have to monitor what i feed him.He loves Lamb but I have to give it to him in small dosage.I don't grind at this time, no reason too but I can understand people who do.Bufaflo meat is great but hard to find here. Well they say my dog is arriving at 11:25 am so I hope she will be there.I will never use Delta again.Again thanks for your thoughts.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/24/2006 12:10 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #115831 - 10/24/2006 12:10 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Alica and Connie thank you so much for understanding.Connie I feed a lot like you, but I have a 3year old GSD with allergies and so I have to monitor what i feed him.He loves Lamb but I have to give it to him in small dosage.I don't grind at this time, no reason too but I can understand people who do.Bufaflo meat is great but hard to find here. Well they say my dog is arriving at 11:25 am so I hope she will be there.I will never use Delta again.Again thanks for your thoughts. Everyone on this board understands, trust me. I am sad to read this about problem, because Delta Dash is the service the people in our training club use and like best. Please post back, OK? AS far as raw feeding goes, this kind of thread is good for me because I tend to fall into a poultry-and-frozen-fish rut for days and weeks, and I don't want to. A good nudge!
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Brooke West wrote 10/24/2006 12:24 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #115832 - 10/24/2006 12:24 PM
Brooke West Webboard User Reg: 09-27-2006 Posts: 13 Loc: Offline	I may be a bit off topic, but in the beginning of this post Trevor was talking about feeding his dog Honest Kitchen. I'm trying to transition my new GSD who has been eating Royal Cannin dog food his whole life to something close to raw. He's just over a year old now. Personally, I'm not ready to switch him to a completely raw diet, I'm phobic of salmonella and the like. (I actually use ziploc baggies to touch raw chicken!) Anyways, I can't get my GSD to eat the Honest Kitchen. He'll sniff at it, he even licked up half of it but then he stopped and wouldn't touch it again. I tried mixing kibble into it, but still he wouldn't touch it. Have you guys had success with adding something to the mix, I read something about liver powder? Also, is Honest Kitchen enough, it looks like rabbit food! I can't really spot any meat in the stuff. Any advice is greatly appreciated, Brooke
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/24/2006 12:30 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Brooke West ] #115833 - 10/24/2006 12:30 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: I may be a bit off topic, but in the beginning of this post Trevor was talking about feeding his dog Honest Kitchen. I'm trying to transition my new GSD who has been eating Royal Cannin dog food his whole life to something close to raw. He's just over a year old now. Personally, I'm not ready to switch him to a completely raw diet, I'm phobic of salmonella and the like. (I actually use ziploc baggies to touch raw chicken!) Anyways, I can't get my GSD to eat the Honest Kitchen. He'll sniff at it, he even licked up half of it but then he stopped and wouldn't touch it again. I tried mixing kibble into it, but still he wouldn't touch it. Have you guys had success with adding something to the mix, I read something about liver powder? Also, is Honest Kitchen enough, it looks like rabbit food! I can't really spot any meat in the stuff. Any advice is greatly appreciated, Brooke The turkey or chicken is what looks like big flakes. There's a lot of it. Again, someone in our club rehydrated it thinnish at first and poured it over whatever the dog was eating, then gradually, slowly, made the switch. You can add cooked meat (not cooked bones) if you want. You can add eggs, meat, RMBs -- all kinds of stuff. P.S. The dogs I know who switched to THK did take a while to become accustomed to the no-sugar, no-salt-added food (which is quite different from the "flavorings" added to a lot of kibble and canned).
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Jenni Williams wrote 10/24/2006 12:44 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Brooke West ] #115834 - 10/24/2006 12:44 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	My Chi wouldn't eat it at first, either. He kept coming up to me and silently begging me for something else. Then, several days later, he begged less silently. This went on until he was too hungry to yap at me any more and just ate the greenish oatmeal. Now he gobbles it up and will choose it over other foods. If you're a nice person, unlike me, you could try the slow approach, but if a dog's really stubborn, they'll find ways to make it difficult regardless of your efforts, so I go with the Mean Mother approach for dogs w/out any health issues.
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Brooke West wrote 10/24/2006 12:58 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Jenni Williams ] #115835 - 10/24/2006 12:58 PM
Brooke West Webboard User Reg: 09-27-2006 Posts: 13 Loc: Offline	I ordered the Beef recipe from THK, I should have bought the chicken as I later found out from his breeder that chicken is his favorite. Shoot! Well about adding things, should I cook the egg before I put it in? Also, is a diet of only THK just as beneficial as feeding raw food?
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Diana Matusik wrote 10/24/2006 01:01 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Brooke West ] #115836 - 10/24/2006 01:01 PM
Diana Matusik Webboard User Reg: 04-27-2004 Posts: 456 Loc: Central FL Offline	Just a helpful hint- your local 24 hour pharmacy chain should carry big boxes of latex gloves for very cheap. If you're a Food Network fan, Alton Brown uses latex gloves for easy handling of raw meat without the mess and constant need for handwashing.
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Jenni Williams wrote 10/24/2006 01:03 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Brooke West ] #115837 - 10/24/2006 01:03 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	THK is raw, but the potentially dangerous bacteria have been destroyed through the VERY low heat processing it undergoes while being dehydrated. You do not need to cook eggs. IMO, THK is as beneficial as raw, if not more so, b/c it's properly balanced. You can feed it alone or add to it to keep costs down, and you still have balance. I think that's the biggest pitfall for beginners to raw feeding. If you're an expert raw feeder, I'd stick with raw, but for the vast majority, THK gives you raw benefits without the potential for danger due to parasites, bacteria, imbalance, etc.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/24/2006 01:59 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Brooke West ] #115838 - 10/24/2006 01:59 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: .....is a diet of only THK just as beneficial as feeding raw food? Well, I think it's a close second, and if you add RMBs then it's VERY close! Like most commercial foods, it relies on calcium supplements and not actual bones, and dogs are designed to eat raw bones. In addition, there are some enzymes dogs' systems use for rapid digestion that are destroyed by the heat of dehydration. The chewing (good for jaw and teeth) is reduced. So you lose the bones and the meat-chewing, as well as some (not all) raw meat enzymes. JMO. If you add some RMBs, it's a wonderful food. Again, JMHO. And if you don't, I still believe that it's the best thing available after fresh food, and I would have no qualms about feeding it full-time if I couldn't feed raw. Also, the fact that the balancing of macronutrients is done for you is a nice plus, as Jenni says.
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Beth Fuqua wrote 10/24/2006 02:29 PM Re: First Attempt at RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #115839 - 10/24/2006 02:29 PM
Beth Fuqua Webboard User Reg: 02-25-2004 Posts: 559 Loc: Joliet, IL Offline	We are SO glad we have THK "in stock" here. Since our 4th dog is back home now, and we're taking a 6 day (rather than a more typical 3 day) road trip, it's a life saver!! On shorter trips with 3 dogs we've been able to bag up individual meals for each dog, and still have room in the fridge for some people food. That won't work for this trip. For the last few days we've migrated them over to THK, and that with a few RMB's will be the road food. It's an awesome option for travel! Beth http://www.JolietSchutzhund.com
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