I'm very shocked to read this thread. I have emailed Kris in the past, maybe 3 times and have recived one response to my first email.
Just some simple questions about the training he does at Total Canine Sport club (contacting people there may be worthwhile) and opinions on Sch and PP training.
I had seriously contemplated visiting his kennel and possibly purchasing a pup from in the future.

So sorry to read about this.

Hello Ed,

I understand you have some issues with Kris at Von Forell. This guy is one of the biggest dog cons in Australia. He is also a laughing stock here in the dog world. He is some what the butt of alot of jokes in the Schutzhund community. I mean you go to a club trial with a multi Sch3 and Ipo3 dog and you cant pass......thats just funny.

So it is a pitty you have found out about him this way, but it is pretty much common knowledge.

It appears that Kris is phoning people he knows here in Australia to go on your forum and defend him. He's too gutless to do that himself.

Your suspisions about his dealings with your Natan semen are infact correct. He has had two litters here in Australia with it. One he registered, the other he had some problems with. As he has imported the semen from you unfortunatly you are not required to sign the paperwork to get pedigrees. Only the vet has to as the semen and Natan are registered here as if they were aussie dogs. But Kris is well aware of this. He has also sold semen to other people here who have tried to get litters from Natan. One of them is a guy called Steve at http://www.regalhaus.com.au as he bred it to a female called Yosy vd Wannen H. He got no pups. Also a guy called Luc Cendec has got some Natan semen from Kris. Not sure if he has used it yet or not. I have also been told that another couple of guys have got some.

Kris is just a scumbag so I don't expect you to get anything from him.

Hope this info might help you.

Brett

P.S feel free to use this info just I would rather if you don't send my details to him.

 Quote: Ed Frawley

Hello Ed,

I understand you have some issues with Kris at Von Forell. This guy is one of the biggest dog cons in Australia. He is also a laughing stock here in the dog world. He is some what the butt of alot of jokes in the Schutzhund community. I mean you go to a club trial with a multi Sch3 and Ipo3 dog and you cant pass......thats just funny.

That is so hilarious !
Yet there are so many like Kris,and that is soo sad

Hi Ed,

I have only recently become involved in serious dog training and breeding in Australia and have heard nothing good about Kris. I have been warned to stay well clear of him especially since he has now become involved with Neville Williams. As a previous person as said to crooks who are now working together.

I look forward to following this issue and if I hear anything new I will update you.

Mark

Ed,

My email was purely to inform you of what i know, I DO NOT in anyway condone what has been done, think outside the square on this one, and you'll get a good result.

goodluck

I got the following email this morning from Mr Kotsopoulous. I would like to think that his shady business practices resulting in him having to close his doors. I doubt thats the case - crooks always have a way of raising their ugly heads again and again and again.

THE EMAIL :

Hello,


Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.



This email is to let you know that Von Forell Kennel Property is for Sale.

Attached is some information that may assist you if you are interested.



The property is close to four schools, buses and a train station and a three minute

drive from the main Shopping Centre – Greensborough.

The suburb Plenty is now one of the most sort after suburbs.



The five acre property also comes with an unlimited breeders permit. That’s right unlimited.

There is ample room for horses or any other animal that you or your children may wish to enjoy.



The link on our website will have much more detailed information http://www.vonforell.com



If you wish to speak to me directly please call me on +61 418 348 804 International and 0418 348 804 in Australia.



If you require any further information please feel free to email me on info@vonforell.com



PLEASE NOTE: The Five Acre property, breeding & Training Facility is for sale not the name Von Forell or the Dogs.



Warmest Regards



Kris Kotsopoulos

http://www.vonforell.com

I got that too, I'm sure he is relocating, crooks don't quit that easily.

I received a email an order from a women in Austrilia who had bought a Doberman puppy from Kris. She asked if I recommend specific trainers in her country I don't because I simply don't know people there and I told her as much. I just said to stay away from this guy.

Her answer pretty much sums up her experience with him:

I know I learned my lesson with him he sells pups and advertises that "WE TRAIN YOUR PUP TO YOUR REQUIREMENTS" and that each pup comes with a written guarantee etc.etc. I havent seen anything yet when I asked about training he said he cant help(when my dog was still a pup) I was lucky that I got the pedigree paper after at least 100 phone calls,and the reason I think I got them was because the schutzhund club was calling him as well 'without papers I couldn't enter any trials

Hiya all

Im a new user, but have been reading this forum for a while. It wasnt till a friend of mine told me that i should look up this thread. Well vonforell anyway!

Ok the reason for the email about the property he is selling is because rumour has it that there are some personal problems which is forcing him to sell.

Now i just want you all to understand that i am not sticking up for this man, i too have had my fair share with him. But dont really have the time to go into it for now.

Here is another email I got on this CHUMP:

I was given a bitch, Vonforell Dores, to train by Cris, the agreement was I Own/train/title her and she be returned to Cris for one litter. It did take many Phone calls to obtain her papers and they were only obtained after I informed Cris, If I did not have the papers , the dog would not be competed under his kennel name. She was a Good Robust bitch to work.
The bitch developed acute panis, diagnosed just prior to gaining Sch 1. I informed Cris she had acute panis prior to her being bred and by then I had heard her sister in New Zealand also had developed sight problems. Cris still bred her and I delivered her to him to whelp at his kennels. I had her speyed as I do not believe in breeding dogs with problems. I then continued on with the bitch, with medication, and titled her to Sch 3. After one further Sch3 competition with a friend who now owns her, she was retired from Sch competition because her sight was so bad, and she is about to resume competing in tracking only.