Catherine Amodeo wrote:If I wanted a sport dog I'd get a dog from good sporting lines, and if I wanted a working dog I'd get a dog from working lines.
#()# My question: What is the difference between sporting lines and working lines? I don't think there is a difference, when you talk about lineage I know people talk about "show lines and working lines. If there is a difference please explain.
Here's what I mean. I don't think a sporting dog and a working dog are the same, though many people do. Titles have nothing to do with whether or not a dog can work. I'm not trying to denigrate it but sport is sport and titles are a measure of whether or not the dog can perform in sport. My opinion.
My pup is from working lines - not a sport dog in it. Her parents could track and protect, as could her grandparents, etc. I wanted a protection dog and chose her because she came from a line of working dogs. She does not have an overabundance of prey drive, but she is a high drive dog and I have no doubt her only limitations are my limitations.
Thats just how I see it anyway. I know there are many who disagree.
With regard to bloodlines. In GSDs,there are West German show lines,West German Working lines,East German working lines(DDR) as well as American showline with no working ability,Czech etc. The other breeds have distinct bloodlines that differ in work and show type as well.
Sport titled dogs are referred to as working dogs,but in actuality,a real working dog is one who performs his job in the real world,as opposed to a training field. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Renee,
As a breeder of working dogs I would have to agree and disagree with your comments on working dogs. Obviously a working dog is a dog who works (i.e. a street police dog) but this is not what is meant when people like myself refer to working bloodlines.
As a breeder it would be very difficult to base a bloodline that I chose to call working lines on strictly working police dogs. That is not realistic. The fact is that most police dogs come from working bloodlines not visa versa.
For those that do not understand this I would point them to the articles on my web site about Show Bloodlines vs Working bloodlines. There are two totally separate groups of dogs, one that produces top confirnmation shows dogs and on that produces working competition dogs and service dogs.
This is amore accurate way to approach this issue of show and working.
This is the third time I read this and the second time I am responding to this. Who said that just because a dog is titled in Schutzhund that he will be a good PSD or PPD? If they did I would strongly disagree with them.
Uh,Ed,that is exactly what I just said,unless I needed a lot more coffee. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I was trying to explain the differences as well. I breed working lines as well as high line(show line) GSDs. But not to each other <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The dog in question from what you have said is not looking at the ball or toy like a game but something that it has to kill. THis is why it is growling and stuff.
The fact that the dog came of the sleeve when the helper pulled on the collar shows that he dog is concearned with the helper touching it. Anyone who believes that this dog looks at this as a game does not understand dog training. It seems pretty clear that the dog is stressed and needs an approach to that of the Flinks method that I have heard described.
I find it disturbing that people who clearly do not understand what they are talking about, are giving advice to someone who is in the same boat.
As far as dogs rebiting as often as possible, and read a few books, and watch a few tapes, then get back to the rest of us before opening your mouth and confusing new comers to dog training and perhaps making them make mistakes that they can never fix and causing them more problems.
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