Richard Pryor wrote 03/24/2007 09:30 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: alice oliver ] #134940 - 03/24/2007 09:30 AM
Richard Pryor Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2007 Posts: 264 Loc: Puerto Rico Offline	Quote: alice oliver they aren't vomiting, they are regurgitating and it is normal. they ate too fast. so they regurgitate and re-eat it. feeding frozen helps them slow down and then they don't regurgitate so often. this is why i feed ben his 1/2 chickens frozen. if for some reason they get defrosted, i keep him quaranteened in the mudroom on some towels. then i pick the mess up on the towel, spill it into a dog bowl, and put him back outside with it. he eats it, and the towel goes in the wash. of course, when he's outside all day, it's less of a problem. well, there was the evening i was having an outdoor dinner party and he urped and re-ate his chicken right next to my chair. i just looked innocent and nobody seemed to notice! did take the edge off my own appetite, tho. as for feeding really large chunks of meat--don't. this is one way a raw-fed dog can wind up with a bloat episode. English isn't my first language, but I looked up regurgitate and it says: transitive verb : to throw or pour back or out from or as if from a cavity (regurgitate food) By vomiting I meant throwing up. So I'm not sure what you mean, but in my book it's the same thing (i.e. food coming out of mouth instead of ass). I don't agree on feeding frozen to slow down your dog unless he's a gulper. If he's a chewer, but still eats too fast, give him his food one piece at a time. Feeding frozen foods just doesn't seem right. They wouldn't eat it that way in the wild, would they? If your dog throws up, or regurgitates if it makes you happy, every time he eats unfrozen foods, I would look into it.
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Sarah Morris wrote 03/24/2007 09:38 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Richard Pryor ] #134943 - 03/24/2007 09:38 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	A wolf would probably eat frozen or partially frozen game in the wild. And, according to what Yuko has said, wolf mamas do regurgitate food for their pups... domestic dogs probably do the same thing. Richard...the new photo is WONDERFUL! Your pup has a wise, old man's face on a little puppy body. He is really precious True
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Carol Boche wrote 03/24/2007 09:45 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Richard Pryor ] #134944 - 03/24/2007 09:45 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Richard Pryor I don't agree on feeding frozen to slow down your dog unless he's a gulper. If he's a chewer, but still eats too fast, give him his food one piece at a time. Feeding frozen foods just doesn't seem right. They wouldn't eat it that way in the wild, would they? I agree, although I have fed partially frozen, mainly because it was not all the way thawed out and I had nothing else. I do not think dogs should be regurgitating almost every meal, this seems odd to me. But I have never had it happen so I may be wrong. My gulper gets all of her food cut up or ground (bone in) or she gets ground meat (no bone-which is when I add a little calcium). She does better that way. I am trying a whole half chicken tonight to see what she does. I am hoping it slows her down. I am also hoping that as she gets older she will slow down also..... Probably wishful thinking on my part. I do have to say that you have a very adorable pup Richard. Goodness he is a cutie. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Sarah Morris wrote 03/24/2007 10:02 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Carol Boche ] #134948 - 03/24/2007 10:02 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Quote: I am trying a whole half chicken tonight to see what she does. I am hoping it slows her down. I am also hoping that as she gets older she will slow down also..... Probably wishful thinking on my part. Hi Carol, When I first started giving chicken backs True ate them in about 15 seconds...scared me to death. Yuko suggested giving him a whole half chicken, which did take him longer to eat. Not as long as I'd like...LOL...but he did have to work at it and he couldn't get the whole thing into his mouth. True
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Carol Boche wrote 03/24/2007 10:17 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Sarah Morris ] #134950 - 03/24/2007 10:17 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Thanks Sarah. I will have the camera ready in case she decides to try and eat the whole thing at once. I will try anything at this point because I want her to be able to eat raw like all my other dogs. AND so I do not have to watch her every bite. hee hee I would have to say that Malinois try and defy every concept of doggie stuff and are usually successful at least half of the time. But I would not change it for the world. I love my mals. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Sarah Morris wrote 03/24/2007 10:28 AM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Carol Boche ] #134957 - 03/24/2007 10:28 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	If she does manage to inhale a half chicken I think the only photo we'll see is one of the sky that you snapped as you were hitting the ground in a full faint True
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alice oliver wrote 03/24/2007 12:00 PM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Sarah Morris ] #134970 - 03/24/2007 12:00 PM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	vomiting is muscle propelled, and is usually caused by illness. regurgitation is simply like an overflow, or a backup. anyway, look up the two definitions in your dictionary. and yes dogs do eat frozen food in the wild. especially in cold climates! he doesn't regurgitate every day, just once in a while, and it is normal. and just with half a chicken. working Mastiff
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Richard Pryor wrote 03/24/2007 12:22 PM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: alice oliver ] #134972 - 03/24/2007 12:22 PM
Richard Pryor Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2007 Posts: 264 Loc: Puerto Rico Offline	I assume only in cold climates would dogs eat frozen meat, but I'm just not sure how it would happen. Only thing that comes to mind is a dog stashing the prey under snow to eat it later. But why would he do that when he can eat it while it's still warm just after killing it? I'm not saying frozen meat is bad for your dog. In his books, Tom Lonsdale says that it's ok to do so. I'm just saying that unless you forgot to thaw your dogs food, why would you do it?
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Alex Corral wrote 03/24/2007 12:32 PM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Richard Pryor ] #134973 - 03/24/2007 12:32 PM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Richard, I think Alice is saying she feeds frozen to slow down her dogs eating. It makes sense because the meal is frozen together and the dog has to chew and break pieces off to be able to eat it. I think a wolf in the wild would definitely still eat a frozen meal days later. Especially if the kill is very large like a moose or caribou. Edited by Alex Corral (03/24/2007 12:33 PM) Edit reason: typo
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/24/2007 04:14 PM Re: Question on first few raw meals [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #134998 - 03/24/2007 04:14 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: connie sutherland ... About the weight-bearing bones thing: I emailed a class instructor (Canine Nutrition) about it and he apologized about the vagueness --- but was vague. He said if the bird is small enough to be called a fryer then he gives the legs, but if the leg alone weighs a pound and has its own package then he doesn't... I also sent a message to Cindy and asked for her input when she has a chance. Cindy responds that commercial leg quarters are young and soft and that: "A 9 week old malinois or GSD can chow down a leg or thigh bone without a problem. A yorkie may not be able to."
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