Natalya Zahn wrote 08/12/2007 08:41 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Diane Joslin ] #151498 - 08/12/2007 08:41 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: diane joslin So to all of you raw feeders - what happened to the bird's beak, the bird's feet, and all the feathers - apparently that stuff all got digested so it is not distinguisable (is that a word??). Just asking because the bird was devoured BEFORE he chewed on the cloth toy. I'm guessing that most all the parts of a bird that size would pretty easily be digested by a dog - and if bits like the beak and feathers didn't completely dissolve, they'd break down enough that you probably wouldn't see them in any poop. We occassionaly find bone parts that didn't get totally digested in Oscar's "presents", but the inch or 2 long leftovers are from bones like chicken femurs, which are considerably larger and tougher than any bone in a dove (and passing such things has never had any ill effects on our dog). It's an amazing thing when you think about how sensitive HUMAN digestive systems are... but for a dog, it's all natural! Don't think he plucked that bird out of the air do you?? Doves, in my experience, are NOT the most swift (physically OR mentally) of birds and I've nearly stepped on one on more than one occssion - perhaps Nickie accidentally flushed one and was quick enough to snap before it got too far off the ground?! ~Natalya
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/12/2007 09:41 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #151501 - 08/12/2007 09:41 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Yep, all digested. Have you seen Yuko's videos of her pups eating whole rabbits? Rabbit in, very little out. Everything about raw meat is so easily digestable that you rarely see anything except the occasional bone that Natalya mentioned. They can use every bit of it. I bet the cats played with the birds before eating them.
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Diane Joslin wrote 08/12/2007 10:10 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Michael_Wise ] #151503 - 08/12/2007 10:10 PM
Diane Joslin Webboard User Reg: 01-09-2007 Posts: 368 Loc: Las Vegas, NV Offline	Natalya, Yup, doves are pretty dumb birds - they can fly fast but are a little slow on the take off. It looked like the bird's neck was broken when I first saw it hanging out of Nickie's mouth. Poor thing, guess it was lulled into a false sense of security from seeing him out in the yard all the time. Michael, I never thought about that - cats nearly always "play" with their prey before they eat them.
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Jenni Williams wrote 08/13/2007 12:36 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Diane Joslin ] #151538 - 08/13/2007 12:36 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	My 4mo old jumped up and grabbed a bird out of midair. I was shocked, as he's sooo young to be that coordinated, but he gulped it down merrily...no ill effects. He has never had dog food, and had no issue w/the beak and feet or feathers. I think dogs instinctively know what they need; you'll see this in what part of a prey animal the dog tears into first. My youngest eats whole rabbit (approx.1/3 at a time)-fur, nails, and all. Canidae is ok as far as kibble goes for the money, although it still has grain in it, which I don't like at all. I think, like everyone else, your dog is telling you something. Tell your husband if he doesn't like raw food, then he doesn't have to eat it. You don't force him to eat biologically inappropriate food just because it grosses out the dog, do you? Be careful heeding my advice when it comes to husbands if you want to keep yours-husbands are not my strong suit.
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Andy Deitz wrote 08/13/2007 08:42 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #151597 - 08/13/2007 08:42 PM
Andy Deitz Webboard User Reg: 08-12-2007 Posts: 38 Loc: New Hampshire Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Again, most dogs are just fine with them, but backs and necks and quarters have a much better ratio of meat to bone-and-fat, I think. Really? This is the opposite of what I have read in a few different places. I guess that just goes to show you how important variety is with raw food and tailoring the diet to the individual animal considering all the conflicting information. I guess you cant help but get it right if they are getting a bit of everything. -Andy Deitz-
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/13/2007 08:49 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Andy Deitz ] #151598 - 08/13/2007 08:49 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: Andy Deitz I guess you cant help but get it right if they are getting a bit of everything. Great point in your first post! That is exactly what it is all about. I had some trouble with my feeding routine. I was feeding alot of the same over and over again. A wise woman on this board got me going in the right direction basically with that same point you made.
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Andy Deitz wrote 08/13/2007 08:49 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Rick Miller ] #151599 - 08/13/2007 08:49 PM
Andy Deitz Webboard User Reg: 08-12-2007 Posts: 38 Loc: New Hampshire Offline	Quote: rick miller  Quote: diane joslin The only other "wild life" that he might possibly catch and eat would be small lizards. Do you know if they emit some kind of poison when they are cornered? He has come close to catching one already. I googled this: Warning, to read this requires a free registration to read, so I didn't read it. It is about the lizards biting the dog, which would probably occur when the dog tries to eat the lizzard, but it seems pretty close to what you are looking for. Venom Toxicity in Dogs If there were Gila Monsters around I would imagine you would know about it. They are fairly uncommon and only out for a short period of time each year. A gila needs to bite and chew to inject its venom(so does a beaded lizard). These are the only two venomous lizards in the world. Most likely she is chasing around skinks(they are everywhere) completely harmless. -Andy Deitz-
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/13/2007 08:50 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Michael_Wise ] #151600 - 08/13/2007 08:50 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: michael_wise  Quote: andy deitz I guess you cant help but get it right if they are getting a bit of everything. Great point in your first post! That is exactly what it is all about. I had some trouble with my feeding routine. I was feeding alot of the same over and over again. A wise woman on this board got me going in the right direction basically with that same point you made. You beat me, Michael. I saw that post and logged in just to say " 'ZACKLY!"
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Andy Deitz wrote 08/13/2007 08:53 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Michael_Wise ] #151601 - 08/13/2007 08:53 PM
Andy Deitz Webboard User Reg: 08-12-2007 Posts: 38 Loc: New Hampshire Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise Great point in your first post! That is exactly what it is all about. I had some trouble with my feeding routine. I was feeding alot of the same over and over again. A wise woman on this board got me going in the right direction basically with that same point you made. Yeah, it can be hard switching it up enough, especially with how easily available chicken and turkey is(the price is right too), but after a while it seems to get easier. -Andy Deitz-
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/13/2007 08:59 PM Re: First Taste of Raw Meat [Re: Andy Deitz ] #151602 - 08/13/2007 08:59 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Andy Deitz ... Really? This is the opposite of what I have read in a few different places. Yes, you're right. I've seen that too. I never figured out how wings (I mean on their own, as opposed to part of the entire bird) got such high billing on a few raw feeding web sites. Maybe it's the small bones. In a dog-nutrition seminar a couple of years ago we took apart a chicken (dividing it into meat, visible fat and skin, and bones) and then separated various parts the same way. Chicken backs, IF they were meaty (and recently I have seen some that were not meaty, because they were butchered very close to the spine; this may be a response to their fairly recent new use as dog food instead of soup ingredients.... who knows?), turned out to have a bone-meat-visible fat ratio very similar to the entire bird. (It looks like the bird would be far meatier than the backs, if you look at the breast parts, but when you include the wings, the meatiness factor goes down.)
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