 Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
[Re: JessicaKromer ]
#178112 - 01/29/2008 11:27 PM |
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It brings a smile to my face too! 
Yet it is unfortunate that schutzhund has fallen to sub-standard performances. It used to be about really testing the dog in protection. I'm not an expert but i see no pressure put on the dog.
With the standards being used by some clubs, yeah i agree, even a sheep could do protection work!
I suppose it always happens, modify it so more people can have the joy of playing with their dogs... Jeez!
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178116 - 01/29/2008 11:47 PM |
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Yeah modify it you all can't have all the fun .... or are people afraid they might be shown up by a breed not typical to the sport  .
Hmmm in the horse world we have a battle of the breeds where they each compete in like 7 different disciplines (race, barrels, jumping, driving etc.) Maybe that's an idea for dogs (obedience, tracking, protection, coursing, agility, swimming, herding etc.) Haha that'd be one awesome dog!
I'm trying to teach my colt how to fuss, he's great with a treat don't use lead rope... you don't have to be serious all the time.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178119 - 01/30/2008 12:30 AM |
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Oh, you misunderstand me. I do not believe in modifying anything. To train in SCH does not mean to title. I feel that a dog must earn a title. But I also feel that there is no harm in training the entire life of a dog with out ever earning (or even necessarily trying for) a title. And there is no harm in trying. If a dog has the drive, nerve and grip to do the work, and has the level of training necessary to control all of them, and can prove it… They deserve that title and the owner should not feel threatened by someone who wants to play with their dog.
If you can find a club with an open mind, go.
I suck at Soccer. I love to get out there and play. It is a great way to spend time with my friends and get exercise, but I don’t expect MLS to let me play for them.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178131 - 01/30/2008 06:42 AM |
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No I didn't understand you at all. I didn't mean modify the sport so they can compete ... modify the mindset that you can't train in it. No I do not think you should go title some half a** performance or require less from any other breed, just let them still train in the sport. I have no intentions to compete unless my dog is out of this world.
The battle of the breed idea was kind of a joke. Sure some aussie out there has done all that anyway.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178147 - 01/30/2008 09:52 AM |
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Sorry Kathleen! That comment was absolutley not directed to you! Your attitude I love and your outlook should be an inspiration to people.
Jessica
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178148 - 01/30/2008 09:52 AM |
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It has nothing to do with club members not having an open mind, and I promise you it has nothing to do with members being afraid of being shown up by an off breed. It does have a lot to do with there just not being enough helper to go around, and with doubting new peoples commitment level. You have to protect the helper. Most clubs have one helper and meet twice a week (once on a weeknight and one weekend day). A helper can only work so many dogs a night. I once belonged to a club that welcomed eveyone who expressed an interest. It was not fun being out after midnight every week. Our helper got burned out and he started a new club and you can bet we were very picky about who got in the new club. It's not like agility or flyball where there's a club on every corner, ours is not a well known or popular sport. So, a lot of times a club may not be able to accept everyone who wants to join and can only take those candidates who they think have real potential to at least title in a timely fashion.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178150 - 01/30/2008 10:22 AM |
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I'm with Susan. There are people talented enough to fit a square peg in a round hole but when breeders,clubs, and owners say Schutzhund and ridgebacks arent a good match and there are other choices that are right for them I think thats the way to go and enjoy your dog.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178155 - 01/30/2008 11:04 AM |
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Yeah modify it you all can't have all the fun .... or are people afraid they might be shown up by a breed not typical to the sport .
It's not about being shown up. If you look at high level competition or even club competition, the ones that dominate will always be mals and gsds. So it's not about being shown up.
We have to honor the sport and honor the breed. Like I said befre, if the handler is talented enough he/she can make a sheep do the sport.
I believe this is about advancing the breeds and the jobs they do, not about pleasing everybody just because they think it's fun. If it were that way, why not try french ring, mondio, psa, etc... IMHO that little jack russell looks like a clown.
Put real pressure on him and he will fail misserably. Not trying to be mean, just the standards have been lowered so nuch in certain clubs it is ridiculous.
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178159 - 01/30/2008 11:18 AM |
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I agree with Susan as well. I'd say when the time comes and you get your Ridge, go and talk w/a few different clubs. Most club members are very friendly and will be honest w/you. I don't know how many drop out of SchH their 1st year because they get discouraged w/their dogs progress, but I'm sure it's A LOT!
I can tell you 1st hand about helper work. It is a tough job and many helpers do feel overwhelmed with the amount of dogs they have to work. It's especially tough if they aren't sure how serious the new person is. Not saying that's your case at all, but I can see how helpers get burned out in big clubs. Our club is relatively small and we try to keep it that way. It is a very friendly club and we have had many many people come out to watch and ask questions but I don't think we'd add another member unless they were going to do helper work (like me).
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Re: Rhodesian Ridgeback for schutzhund work?
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#178163 - 01/30/2008 11:28 AM |
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I think Enrique has a point. We were just talking about this last night at training. Rules in SchH have changed for the better or worse at times. It seems the protection phase years ago was much more difficult than now, ie a frontal attack in the SchH 1 routine that eliminated many young dogs. That may have been right or may have been too harsh for the youngers dogs. Who really knows? Just like changing over to using leather sticks. Although that may also have to do w/the times and being less barbaric.
SchH was originally started to test the GSD, some other breeds have completed those tests (Boxers,Dobes,Schnauzers,Bouviers,Rotts) others have excelled (like Mals). Besides breeds, there are also all sorts of arguments about the sport itself and which are watered down and which are not. It's an endless opinion.
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