 Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
[Re: Melissa Blazak ]
#185113 - 03/10/2008 01:43 PM |
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I dont really see poor obedience as being dumb. I see it as being stubborn and lacking in drive.
that actually makes a huge amount of sense to me.
teagan has a lot more drive than luc (his lack of drive was one reason why i adopted him....safe around the small animals - i didn't know enough to realize that would impact other things) and, while she's wilful, is actually easier to train than him. she's picked up more complicated stuff faster than luc did - and it's easier to get her to work for food or a toy. they do train differently, and drive would be a part of that. luc isn't dumb, he actually has very good obedience, and he was easier to proof with distractions (they didn't hold the same value or interest for him as they do for teagan, i think).
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
[Re: Alex Corral ]
#185126 - 03/10/2008 02:18 PM |
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You dont see a lot of northern breeds winning obedience titles!
Highly intelligent, super fast learners too...just not prone to doing unless they feel like it most of the time 
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185131 - 03/10/2008 02:24 PM |
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I agree with Mike (so what else is new ).
As for that list that was posted, sounds bogus to me, since no breed was mentioned twice in the categories, such as GSD being in top intelligent list but not being in working dog list. Same with other dog breeds not being mentioned twice. You can't break down a breed of dog into just one of the categories mentioned. It doesn't fit.
Hey Sandy I did click on the blue links in the "Ranking of Dogs for Obedience/Working Intelligence by Breed", but where is the working dog list? Do you mean the "characteristics"?
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185135 - 03/10/2008 02:28 PM |
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I forgot to say...
My hound is not the quickest on the uptake it takes him forever to learn new tricks or consistently understand a new command.
But put him in a room with a baby or a kitten and he knows to get down low and belly crawl up to them ever so gently.
Put him in a room with an elderly person or one who isnt so sure of dogs in general and he will rest his chin on their leg and just be still and enjoy some rubbies or even no touching at all.
He isnt trained to track but he is a natural at it and I can hide his kong just about anywhere in the house and he will find it, he will also go find the "Boy", or "Dad" or "Nico".
So he won't be winning any titles in obedience or featured on any super genuis Dog shows but he is good at what he is, and he fullfills his genetic purpose naturally.
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
[Re: Alex Corral ]
#185138 - 03/10/2008 02:29 PM |
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And I do agree with you all as far as each breed being created for it's own purpose, but I was just curious as to why some breeds are hardly ever seen in obedience? Some commands don't seem that hard to where any breed can learn them.
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185145 - 03/10/2008 02:38 PM |
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Hey Sandy I did click on the blue links in the "Ranking of Dogs for Obedience/Working Intelligence by Breed", but where is the working dog list? Do you mean the "characteristics"? Hmmmm....well, I clicked on Rank 11-26 and this page came up, listing the breeds of dogs in that rank (yes, Characteristics of "Excellent Working Dogs"): http://petrix.com/dogint/11-26.html
Am I understanding you?
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185149 - 03/10/2008 02:43 PM |
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Loki at 2.5 years and after a LOT of work knows Sit, Down, Back (up), Leave it, drop it, Off, No!, and Go on, we are working on Stay. oh and "easy" as in be gentle, and Find (insert object/person)
Those are the basics needed for happy compianonship at our house more complicated things just dont seem to register, or seem to stick with him, he gets frustrated during training and his eyes sort of glaze over.
Compare that to Fargo at 5 months, he knows sit, down, stand, high five, touch, spin, stay (sort of), Up, Off, back, and wait,
He can sit, high five, touch, and down under heavy distraction such as the vets office or the put supply store, and learns new commands or actions in about 5 repetitions to catch on and 30 to be able to recall it the next time we work.
All of those were taught using only positive reinforcement and zero corrections other than withholding the click/treat
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185156 - 03/10/2008 02:51 PM |
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he knows sit, down, stand, high five, touch, spin, stay (sort of), Up, Off, back, and wait,
Well....well.....umm....uh.....welllllll.....My Bloodhound knows how to....umm....uh....OH YEAH.... SUKE 
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185159 - 03/10/2008 02:52 PM |
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Hey Sandy I did click on the blue links in the "Ranking of Dogs for Obedience/Working Intelligence by Breed", but where is the working dog list? Do you mean the "characteristics"? Hmmmm....well, I clicked on Rank 11-26 and this page came up, listing the breeds of dogs in that rank (yes, Characteristics of "Excellent Working Dogs"): http://petrix.com/dogint/11-26.html
Am I understanding you?
Well from how I see the list, it ranks breeds 1-10 as the "brightest dogs", then 11-26 as "excellent working dogs", etc. based on how many repetitions it takes them to learn that new command. You know what I mean? I don't they are saying the other breeds aren't excellent workind dogs, they just happen to be included in the "brigtest dogs" category based on their ability to learn a new command.
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Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience?
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#185162 - 03/10/2008 02:57 PM |
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Ohhhhh, ok, I think I see what you mean. Which would explain why any one breed wasn't mentioned twice. No wonder the list didn't make sense at first. My bad........
My head hurts 
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