Quote: RobbinMann

Randy Allen said some things that were quite to the point so, Amber take heart someone did make their feelings known to some degree.

Yes, you're right...he did. I'm sorry Randy, I was thinking for some reason that the first post was made today.

Thanks Randy. You'll be a good influence on me.

First off, bashing Mallory isn't going to help the dog. Secondly, how many of you indignant people have rescues? This stuff happens every day, a lot of people simply don't understand pack dynamics and the dogs pay the ultimate price, no doubt it's a sad state of affairs but unfortunately it's not unusual. The dog has 8 more days........maybe there's time for the dog to be rescued yet again, any takers?

is it really a good idea to "rehome" a five months old pitbbull that has been extremly aggressive since it was weeks old? How many owners are there that are going to have the commitment to fix something like that when there are millions of perfectly fine dogs running around? Im not racist against this breed, im more sensitive to what is going to bury them farther in the mud of their bad reputation.
I understand where people may feel like it is irresponsible to put down any dog that they have adopted and hence made a *lifelong* commitment to, but there are, i believe, circumstances where it IS more responsible to put the dog down.
Someone said earlier that insulting people will have no place on this board, I agree, and I agree that it definitly doesnt help the dog.



Edited by Mary Velazquez (03/31/2008 10:53 PM)
Edit reason: I see someone took away my star, looks like Im in with those who offend people :) is there jackets, yet?

 Quote: Mallory Kwiatkowski

no, she wasn't scared, i was in a hurry(i had a class) and just let her pee but not poop from coming out of her crate.....promise.
she loves car rides, and was happy as a clam sitting in the back seat.

I missed this one...Mallory, this very post says to me that you have taken on entirely too much. Your plate is so full that you aren't able to give the dog the opportunity to come out of its crate to go to the bathroom!? I think you would do much more good in the world if you concentrated on helping just a few dogs with the right amount of attention, rather than so many with not enough of you to go around. Honestly, dropping the dog off to die whilst you rushed off to class seems almost indifferent. Sorry to be so harsh, especially in this situation but I have to call them as I see them.

I wasn't going to post in this thread because I was too angry about that puppy being put to sleep but I've changed my mind. I know however that there wasn't anything I or anyone could say to change that outcome because I believe that no matter what anybody would have said, it wouldn't have mattered anyhow. Just know that what Randy and Amber said might as well have come out of my mouth and I thank them for saying it. Randy and Amber have my respect and my admiration.

The only one I feel sorry for is that puppy.

My intention is not to bash Mallory. I hope a light will shine for anyone else in this situation as a warning.

My dog is a rescue (she was on death row). Thru out my life I have had many rescues, opps puppies and strays that people discarded along the road.

Mallory, if you are reading this tonight, I still respect what you tried to do. I think your enthusiasm was mis-guided but if the dog is still alive, maybe it wouldn't be too late to at least try to place her. Hell, call The Dog Whisperer program and see if they are interested. However, many times they cut off their heads and have it analyzed for rabies unless the dog is a pet, because it is quicker than the quarantine time.

I am not indignant and hope I am not read that way. I, also, do not possess the time and experience necessary to take on a 'red zone' dog.

 Quote: al curbow

First off, bashing Mallory isn't going to help the dog. Secondly, how many of you indignant people have rescues? This stuff happens every day, a lot of people simply don't understand pack dynamics and the dogs pay the ultimate price, no doubt it's a sad state of affairs but unfortunately it's not unusual.

First of all, it's not "bashing Mallory." I realize that what I wrote couldn't have been fun to hear but I wasn't bashing her. And if you go back over any of my past posts you can see that I'm not of the type to do that anyway. What I wrote, was as far as I can see it, was fair.

And you're right...a lot of people don't understand pack dynamics and it is the dogs that pay the price. And last I checked, this wasn't the kind of board who held people's hands and supported them when they needed to have that pointed out.

The dog was very young and had a very messed up start to life. This was a PUPPY that was given only 2 months to "shape up." Mallory's own posts said that she didn't want to give the dog to anyone who wouldn't try to work with her, but she only gave her 2 months.

And those 2 months were made up of her having so little time to deal with her classes, job and huge amounts of animals that she didn't even have the time to let the puppy poop before she put it in the car to be PTS. And yet she repeatedly stated that she had diagnosed the dog as untreatable because of "bad genetics."

And then she made jokes about how it pooping in the car made her feel better about what she was doing. I know I am not the only one that felt that something should be said.

This has never been a board that supported putting a puppy to sleep after only 2 months out of a crappy situation. I thought that we always tried to support rehabilitation or at least attempting to rehome to someone with experience and time first. Remember how everyone bashed the guy with the GSD, Stark, that Jenni took? And that was an adult GSD with serious aggression issues in a family with kids who didn't also have multiple dogs with other issues in his house! And that guy had tried multiple times to at least rehome him. But yet many on the board condemned him for failing his dog.

And when someone posts that they have an previously abused puppy that they took on, 10 dogs, cats, rabbits, snakes and school and a job and a known aggressive dog that was restrained by nothing more than a baby gate...well, I thought this was the kind of board that pointed out that maybe it's not just "bad genetics." Maybe it's a "handler error."

Very few people can honestly handle having that many dogs with issues. I don't think Mallory was one of them. I'm not trying to kick her when she's down, and I think that the fact that she rescued the puppies in the first place says a lot about her intentions. And perhaps this pup couldn't have been saved or rehomed. But I don't think much, if any, effort was put into those options.

Mallory is, IMO, way over her head with all of those animals and with her work-load no matter what her intentions, and I think that it needed to be pointed out that if we take on a dog, we have a certain amount of responsiblity to that dog. If we take on multiple dogs, we have MUCH responsibility. Not even having the time to let a dog poop before taking it to be euthanized is not a sign, in my opinion anyway, of honoring that responsibility.

I'm not saying she's a horrible person at all. But sometimes we all take on too much and can't see it until someone points it out...even if it isn't fun to hear.

The OP mind was set and might have been the right outcome for this pup. I wish she had stayed with the pup until the end instead of just dropping him off. Also not thrilled with the joke about the last ride to the hospital.

All very sad.

 Quote: Nora Ferrell

My intention is not to bash Mallory.

It's ok others will do it for you... no matter if it is intentional or not

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I, also, do not possess the time and experience necessary to take on a 'red zone' dog.

Maybe Mallory didn't either, the main thing is she has been living with a very difficult dog(s) and has been trying hard to do the right thing. That's what she has been doing all along 'trying' you have to commend her for that, not nail her to the cross.

I am a big softy and am pro life 'any life' as you can be. But for the people who have never been in the same situation. ( I have btw) Where they were dealing with a dog that consistently puts you and others in grievious danger even with the best of help and intentions, something has to give.

It's all easy for others to give out advice and look at everything in hindsight. But not being in the same shoes as Mallory or never having to had to live with a dog like that. How could that be?

I feel sorry for the dog, Mallory, and the whole situation. But the reality of it is there. Trying to rehabilitate rescues is not a cakewalk, sometimes you have to make unsavory decisions sorry to say.

 Quote: Michelle Berdusco

The OP mind was set and might have been the right outcome for this pup. I wish she had stayed with the pup until the end instead of just dropping him off. All very sad.

Michelle, the pup had to be quarantined because she bit Mallory, so not possible for her to stay with her...