It was a cover-all-bases kinda post.

But I'm still not sure where you're getting this pins-and-needles theory considering the pervasiveness of an existing privilege.

It still sounds like you don't think people actually carry and that this is some experiment yet to be undertaken...with dire consequences. In modern times, we've had over 20 years to see it happen.

I don't know that I've formed any theory about the stress level in a population and the number of guns among them. That was a tangent from how polite everyone in Phoenix is, and I admit, was rather unnecessary, I have no idea why people are polite in Phoenix. But I suspect it's for the same reason one would find civil society any where else in America.

I live in a quiet state as far as evil doers are concerned and yet I have a couple of friends who carry as a routinue.......So?
Why would I think it's some kind of experiment just getting started. Jeeez Steve, if we have some kind of social experiment going on in our society, it's the taking guns away experiment. We've been armed and packing in this country for 300 plus years!

So, I don't know where your conclusions are coming from. Should I extrapolate from your posting that anyone who doesn't carry is either naive or crazy. So please, don't go all Freudian on me from the basis of a few loosely worded posts about guns and criminals.

I'll iterate from a previous post. I have no issues with sane, law biding citizens owning, or carrying weapons if they choose to do so.

Randy

Well,
I've done my best to assuage your misconceptions about what may or may not be my understandings or concerns.
This is like being in some kind of twisted echo chamber where hello always comes back as good bye. I give up.

So Steve,
You think that making guns more availiable, so people in the high crime areas could take part in their own defense would be a good thing. I got that right?
Any one have any stats to support that position?
Any pd officers here have any thoughts on putting more arms out on the streets in those blotches on the landscape?

Hmmm, didn't some county or town (in Texas I think) try to or did adopt a must carry ordinance. How'd that work out?

Randy

I haven't been making any positive claims about what could/would/should happen, so I'm not burdened to provide any evidence. One can't prove what may happen (and I'm not trying), but one can easily examine what has happened.

This isn't opinion I'm writing, it's hindsight.

I don't advocate putting guns anywhere, only allowing people the choice, and making prohibitive distinctions at the level of the individual...not the area.

And I am a pd officer...not that it should make a difference. Anecdotes just turn into tit-for-tat situations. I'm looking at the same FBI, DOJ stuff anyone else can.

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You think that making guns more availiable, so people in the high crime areas could take part in their own defense would be a good thing. I got that right?
Any one have any stats to support that position?

Hey Randy, there's a book I can't remember the title of by a John Lott that actually does have the stats that point to that. He went into it with an Anti-gun position and came out with an entirely different opinion. He was or is a Chicago college prof. Not exactly right-wing territory.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.0/GunFacts5-0-print.pdf

Some really unique perspectives.
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0801.htm
http://www.seark.net/~jlove/biblebasis.htm